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What is security of person before the law and what is burden of proof?

Moir.Adrian

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Every individual has a universal right to be defined as a person at all times under Article 6 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Equality in order that no individual should ever be subjected to unfair treatment or discrimination before the law. So the universal law of human equality is in place so that we each have security of person before the law, because without security of person before the law, then laws cannot protect you as an individual.

If society is to improve, rather than spiral out of control to the point of no return, then the theory of evolution must be challenged from the premise of law, because no scientist has the right to redefine what the human being is before the law for reasons relating to human equality and equal rights. So in order for human equality to be sustained, then a universal definition of a person is required; and the universal definition in place to define a person with as distinct from the animals, as from law, derives from the theological term, conscience.

The Universal Law of Human Equality is not just a theoretical concept, but a self-evident legal standard instead, because all human beings have been endowed with conscience by their Creator, and it is from the conscience that our convictions derive from, which is how we make our decisions, and our decisions are subject to the universal principle of human morality, which cannot be justified by nature alone, because nature is defined as property. So if our inalienable rights have derived from nature, then mankind is thereby the property of the State, which forms the basis for human slavery, because both the animals, and nature, are defined as property, legally speaking. But if inalienable rights derive from the Creator, then mankind is thereby independent of the State in terms of ownership, and is therefore, sovereign.

Therefore, laws in society should reflect upon the universal standard for human equality in order to sustain a population peaceably, because international human rights law has acknowledged the human conscience as the basis for human equality and human freedom thereby. Under Common law, the burden of proof is upon the individual who is making an assertion against another individual, such as the plaintiff in Case law. While the defendant has a universal right to remain silent before their accuser.

So when a person is demanding evidence for the existence of God, they're usually referring to a visual or physical appearance of the Creator, as from United States Constitutional law, and Commonwealth Theology. But the evolutionary notion that chemical reactions can become self-aware over time is the very thing that requires physical proof, rather than the individual who has placed their faith in God their maker. So the burden of proof here is upon the one claiming to have physical evidence of chemical reactions becoming self-aware over time, rather than the individual who has placed their faith in God, because it is the Creator who is defined as self-evident before the law due to the existence of the human conscience, which in turn, forms the basis for human rights and equality.

So for this reason, Atheism will appeal to an inquisitional method of questioning, whereby the Atheist shall ask the questions, and thereby demands an answer in order to satisfy their own conclusions. When it is the Atheist who is not entitled to an answer based on their personal conclusions, because it is the Creator who is defined as self-evident before the law, rather than the Atheist and their theoretical assertions.

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What is the difference between burden and standard of proof?
The burden reflects which side must prove its case and the standard dictates how convincing that proof must be. The standard of proof refers to the extent to which the party with the burden of proof has to prove its case (or an element of its case). The higher the standard of proof, the more difficult it is for a party to meet their burden of proof. In general, the higher the stakes are, the higher the standard of proof will be. So, a prosecutor in a criminal case has to meet a very high standard of proof, because a defendant's liberty is on the line.- Source; Online Legal Encyclopedia
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
1. Laws don't define a person. Science does.
2. The burden of proof is the obligation one has to provide objective evidence of one's claim. The burden lies with the person making the claim.
 

Stevicus

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The Universal Law of Human Equality is not just a theoretical concept, but a self-evident legal standard instead, because all human beings have been endowed with conscience by their Creator, and it is from the conscience that our convictions derive from, which is how we make our decisions, and our decisions are subject to the universal principle of human morality, which cannot be justified by nature alone, because nature is defined as property. So if our inalienable rights have derived from nature, then mankind is thereby the property of the State, which forms the basis for human slavery, because both the animals, and nature, are defined as property, legally speaking. But if inalienable rights derive from the Creator, then mankind is thereby independent of the State in terms of ownership, and is therefore, sovereign.

The State is made up of the collective whole of humans living within it. That, in and of itself, doesn't make anyone within it property or slaves. Mankind can't really be independent of the State because mankind IS the State. Of course, some humans might decide to split off from one State and form their own State, which can and does happen. But no matter what kind of society humans form, it will always be a State, in one form or another. So, even if one becomes independent of one State, one will still end up part of another State - unless one finds an unclaimed island somewhere and lives totally alone, without any other humans. That's the only way for a human to become truly independent of the State.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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when a person is demanding evidence for the existence of God, they're usually referring to a visual or physical appearance of the Creator
That doesn't resonate with me. For starters, I don't demand evidence of any god from others. I've examined the evidence myself and concluded that a god belief isn't justified by it. When the theist tells me what his god is like but doesn't offer a sufficient evidenced argument, I tell him why I don't believe him that his god exists - insufficient evidence. I don't ask him for evidence, because I know he can't come up with any to support his belief.
if our inalienable rights have derived from nature, then mankind is thereby the property of the State
Our legal rights come from the state, which enumerates them and enforces them, or they can't be called rights in that sense of the word, and that process is a human endeavor unrelated to nature, and does not make a citizen the property of the state. Perhaps you're confusing this with Abrahamic religion, which god grants no rights apart from the right to exercise free will and possibly end up punished for exercising it, and which god owns man and everything else.
the evolutionary notion that chemical reactions can become self-aware over time is the very thing that requires physical proof
Disagree. It only need be possible to entertain and study the notion.
the burden of proof here is upon the one claiming to have physical evidence of chemical reactions becoming self-aware over time, rather than the individual who has placed their faith in God
It's on both. They're both making positive claims about how reality is rather than how it might be. The proper position is to remain agnostic and rule no possibility out without cause. Maybe consciousness is an emergent property of brains with both arising naturalistically according to the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology.
When it is the Atheist who is not entitled to an answer based on their personal conclusions, because it is the Creator who is defined as self-evident before the law, rather than the Atheist and their theoretical assertions.
I don't know what that means, but I have no questions I need or want you or your religion to answer, and if by "Creator" you mean a conscious, supernatural agent, I don't accept your claim that its existence is self-evident or that it even exists.

Incidentally, to my knowledge, this "Creator" doesn't appear in American law or its Constitution. It's appearance in the Declaration was necessary. The local government was trying to convince Christians to rebel against a king, which is forbidden by scripture:
  • "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."- Romans 13:1-2
  • "Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient" - Titus 3:1
You don't have much chance of getting them to overlook that unless you say that same god that allegedly gave those commandments also says that THIS king is out of line with the other rights this god grants that aren't in scripture. It was very effective.
 
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