What is the definition of a "Woman"?

[ppp]

It could perhaps be viewed either way.
But as the syndrome presents itself, the
symptoms are mental problems, while
the body works just fine.

Interesting. I'll have to think about that. I guess the reference to mental problems does not necessarily mean that the problem originates in the mind. But that the mind is where the stressors are being applied, whether from internal function or from the environment. In this case, society and/or the body itself.

 

[Colt]

But "she" is disqualified in your definition.

She was a women born with deformity. A person with common sense would understand that to be a women. People who just like to brake things and argue might not.

 

[Colt]

A Judge should be impartial A Judge should be neutral going only by the law!
Nothing about GOP! It is a all about fairness and truth!
It is NOT a Judge if the Judge is towing a party line.

The first Black women appointed to the court should know what a women is. Or maybe she just identifies as black and a women. She might be a tree and has us all fooled.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The Question was "What is a Woman"?
There can only be one answer... A companion of a Man & The opposite gender to a Man!

I thought a man’s companion was a dog.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

She was a women born with deformity. A person with common sense would understand that to be a women. People who just like to brake things and argue might not.

See, the problem is, far, far too many people can't just extrapolate a little.

Now, I don't know whether this is the case or not, but I have read quite a bit, and a lot of the trans women I have read about have said, in essence, "I've been a girl all my life -- I've just got this deformity, this outie where there ought to be an innie."

I am trying to get you to see that a trans person has a gender which is part of their psychological, their mental make-up, that conflicts with their sex, which is merely biological.

Now, I can't speak for you or anybody else, but when I really try to think about "who I am," it turns out that my body is a very, very small part of it. I am so much more than chemicals and morphology.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What about someone in a body with a uterus saying that he is a man? Or do we need to keep explaining the difference between sex and gender to you?

To him and so many others, yes, we have to keep explaining. And will, because they've already decided that only the flesh matters.

Now, you must admit, that's odd from people who claim to believe in a spiritual self. And once they've shed that flesh, wouldn't that "spiritual self" reflect much more the spirit during life?

 

[ppp]

To him and so many others, yes, we have to keep explaining. And will, because they've already decided that only the flesh matters.

Now, you must admit, that's odd from people who claim to believe in a spiritual self. And once they've shed that flesh, wouldn't that "spiritual self" reflect much more the spirit during life?

Well, they keep referring to God as a "he" even though "he" has neither penis nor testicles.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well, they keep referring to God as a "he" even though "he" has neither penis nor testicles.

There's a most wonderful speech in Act V of William Shakespeare's "Richard II." King Richard is in prison, just about to be murdered by the henchmen of Bolingbroke, who has usurped the throne (and will be Henry IV). I won't quote the whole speech, too long, but listen to the opening words in this soliloquy as Richard finally comes to terms with his own reality:

"I have been studying how I may compare
This prison where I live unto the world:
And for because the world is populous
And here is not a creature but myself,
I cannot do it; yet I'll hammer it out.
My brain I'll prove the female to my soul,
My soul the father; and these two beget
A generation of still-breeding thoughts,
And these same thoughts people this little world,
In humours like the people of this world,
For no thought is contented."

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

To him and so many others, yes, we have to keep explaining. And will, because they've already decided that only the flesh matters.

Now, you must admit, that's odd from people who claim to believe in a spiritual self. And once they've shed that flesh, wouldn't that "spiritual self" reflect much more the spirit during life?

I think this thought needs to be followed up on, and I would love to hear from the believers among us, especially those arguing that the physical body is the sole (not soul) determiner of who you are in terms of your gender. That is, your gender must match your biological sex.

Do you really believe in an immortal soul, one that will carry on for eternity once your mortal body has died and turned to dust -- but that it is that dust that defines how that soul understands itself?

If so, please tell us why.

(I should probably start another thread with a poll on this, but I don't think we need another one.)

 

[Colt]

See, the problem is, far, far too many people can't just extrapolate a little.

Now, I don't know whether this is the case or not, but I have read quite a bit, and a lot of the trans women I have read about have said, in essence, "I've been a girl all my life -- I've just got this deformity, this outie where there ought to be an innie."

I am trying to get you to see that a trans person has a gender which is part of their psychological, their mental make-up, that conflicts with their sex, which is merely biological.

Now, I can't speak for you or anybody else, but when I really try to think about "who I am," it turns out that my body is a very, very small part of it. I am so much more than chemicals and morphology.

Just how could a women be trapped in a mans body? What mechanism put the women into the mans body by mistake?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Two things I see....
- MTF athletes can have advantages that FTM lack.
- MTF bathroom & locker room users make some
people feel queasy about the possibility that they'll
leer at "real" women/girls.

It’s sports. There should be people who want to play vs people who don’t. It’s a GAME for God’s sake.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Just how could a women be trapped in a mans body? What mechanism put the women into the mans body by mistake?

Tell you what --- answer my immediately previous post (#249) and I'll answer you...

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I am happy to answer your questions, but I won't bother if I don't think you are actually engaging in a fair conversation. You replied without answering me. The ball is in your court.

Sex is what is between your legs. Gender is what is between you ears. If a person with male organs wants to say his GENDER is female, then he should have that right. But if he says he IS a female do we start trying to change his body or change his thinking. My OPINION is that you can see what is between his legs but not what is between his ears. Why assume his body is wrong instead of his brain is wrong. Now I have answered more for you than you have for me. Oh wait. See post 226. The person living in a shack who tells people he lives in a million dollar mansion. Would you try to change his house to make it a mansion or change his mind to let him see the truth?

 

[Colt]

Tell you what --- answer my immediately previous post (#249) and I'll answer you...

In my belief the soul can’t function without a body. The resurrected are given a new form. If the soul is likened to software the body is hardware. At the resurrection personality returns and is reunited with soul in the new body. While gender is an eternal endowment sexual reproduction does not continue past this world.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

In my belief the soul can’t function without a body. The resurrected are given a new form. If the soul is likened to software the body is hardware. At the resurrection personality returns and is reunited with soul in the new body. While gender is an eternal endowment sexual reproduction does not continue past this world.

Well, as you said, that is in your belief. There's not much actual evidence that could be brought to bear on demonstrating the reality of a single word.

 

[ppp]

If you see a person on the street who lives in a two room shack but tells people he lives in a million dollar mansion, would you think there is a problem with his house or his thinking process? If a person with a uterus says she is a male would you think there is a problem with her body or her thinking process? Why is there a difference?

I would tell the shack owner that they are wrong. I would address the uterus owner as he wishes. I don't see the genitals of most of the people, I meet. Let alone their internal organs. Unlike a house, people are complicated, and most of the time when I am using gendered pronouns I am not talking about genitals or chromosomes. I am referring to presentation.

 

[ppp]

Sex is what is between your legs. Gender is what is between you ears. If a person with male organs wants to say his GENDER is female, then he should have that right. But if he says he IS a female do we start trying to change his body or change his thinking. My OPINION is that you can see what is between his legs but not what is between his ears. Why assume his body is wrong instead of his brain is wrong. Now I have answered more for you than you have for me. Oh wait. See post 226. The person living in a shack who tells people he lives in a million dollar mansion. Would you try to change his house to make it a mansion or change his mind to let him see the truth?

I think that pronouns primarily refer to gender, and not sex. So, I have to reject your analogy

 

[Revoltingest]

The first Black women appointed to the court should know what a women is. Or maybe she just identifies as black and a women. She might be a tree and has us all fooled.

But to ask a judge for a definition of a woman is
very different from ordinary folk. She'd have to
offer something legally defensible, & even this
would have multiple legal contexts.

It's just common sense that she should not
answer such a mischievous question...one
designed to provide the questioner with sound
bites for pandering to ignorant voters.

 

[Revoltingest]

It’s sports. There should be people who want to play vs people who don’t. It’s a GAME for God’s sake.

I'd let everyone play together.
But trans athletes would be in a different class.
In a race, there could be a first woman & a first
trans-woman. It's inclusion without unfairness.

 

[We Never Know]

I think this thought needs to be followed up on, and I would love to hear from the believers among us, especially those arguing that the physical body is the sole (not soul) determiner of who you are in terms of your gender. That is, your gender must match your biological sex.

Do you really believe in an immortal soul, one that will carry on for eternity once your mortal body has died and turned to dust -- but that it is that dust that defines how that soul understands itself?

If so, please tell us why.

(I should probably start another thread with a poll on this, but I don't think we need another one.)

With all due respect... If a person is born with XY chromosomes, was raised as a male, lived as a male..... How do they know what a female feels or how a female identifies as?