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What is the definition of a "Woman"?

Colt

Well-Known Member
Your observational capability is not credible since you think that this is in a theater. You're not capable of differentiating between what is theater or not, so your claim of being able to tell if someone is acting, just went down the drain.

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That’s Bruce Jenner acting like a women.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
There are some ways that brain functions that are
completely foreign to me. Some of the many....
1) Female brain in male body.
2) Belief in God

But I observe that even though I don't experience
#1 or #2, I accept that these are real mental states,
ie, the people with these conditions are both honest
& correct. So public policy should address them as
real conditions....not whims, choices, or lies.
Most of us have no idea how many ways the brain functions that we know nothing about. Try this: have you ever heard of the word "plurt?" I guarantee, you will answer in a moment, "no." Computers can't do that, because they have to search through all data in their storage. You don't...you do it instantly. Any idea how that works? I don't!

Compare that, by the way, to similar situation: you see a face you think you know, but you can't quite figure out who it is. You work, and work at the problem, give it up and go back to work and later that day, suddenly realize, " oh, that was the guy who hit on my girlfriend last year! I shoulda killed him!"

"Who" gave you that answer, that "you" couldnt' find?

I create (and solve) cryptic crosswords (Americans know squat about them -- to complicated). I can't begin to tell you how often I've struggled to find an answer, and then find -- sometime later -- that it's served up from somewhere while I wasn't even thinking about it.

The mind is a fascinating topic (except, perhaps, for the religious, who are busy trying to turn the damned thing off!).
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Why wasn't Bruce Jenner acting like a man?
Because he is a man. This fad is about escaping uncontrollable anxiety by focusing obsessively on a new identity that is controllable. Until it stops working and disillusionment and terrible regret settles in.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Because he is a man. This fad is about escaping uncontrollable anxiety by focusing obsessively on a new identity that is controllable. Until it stops working and disillusionment and terrible regret settles in.

But you specified "acting," which refers to the specific ways in which a person presents themselves, right? How you define a person seems irrelevant to how that person acts. So a human with the biological structures of a male may act like a man or a woman, and be defined as such because presentation is a facet of social definition. Medical science continues to work on our munipulations of biological structures, but ultimately gender roles are social, and a person with any of a wide variety of biological structures can adapt these to their psychology.

As an aside, I am personally unconvinced by your argument because I have a friend who used to be a female long before I met him, and he has ALWAYS been a man, and often more of a stereotyped man than I am. I've known him for over a decade, and he is perfectly happy in his role.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I'd let everyone play together.
But trans athletes would be in a different class.
In a race, there could be a first woman & a first
trans-woman. It's inclusion without unfairness.
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Revoltingest There are States (Utah for one) that are passing laws that transgender males at birth cannot compete in female sports!

Question "What is a woman!"?
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I think that pronouns primarily refer to gender, and not sex. So, I have to reject your analogy
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Policy There are States (Utah for one) that are passing laws that transgender males at birth cannot compete in female sports!

Question "What is a woman!"?

Looks like the State of Utah knows what a woman is but the Judge does not!
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Because he is a man. This fad is about escaping uncontrollable anxiety by focusing obsessively on a new identity that is controllable. Until it stops working and disillusionment and terrible regret settles in.
Really? You know all that, without ever having been transgendered, or working with transgendered -- or doing anything except opining about what being transgendered is about?

Goodness, what a remarkable person you must be.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
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Policy There are States (Utah for one) that are passing laws that transgender males at birth cannot compete in female sports!

Question "What is a woman!"?

Looks like the State of Utah knows what a woman is but the Judge does not!
Mostly the same states that supported racism and sexism. Including, but not limited to Utah.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Really? You know all that, without ever having been transgendered, or working with transgendered -- or doing anything except opining about what being transgendered is about?

Goodness, what a remarkable person you must be.
Thanks for the snarky compliment.

People with substance abuse problems often describe feeling self absorbed, anxious and unsettled within their own being. When qualifying they often say “I feel like I’m from another planet”. Addicts find escape from their chronic discomfort in the alternate reality provided by the obsession with addictive behavior. Their drug of choice is a subconscious “solution” which eventually becomes a problem. It “works” until it doesn’t. The addict becomes even more restless, irritable and discontent than ever!

The trendy theory that there are people trapped in the wrong body can be appealing to people in deep discomfort about their identity. Transitioning into another person provides the same sort of alternate reality which “works” until it doesn’t. When the obsession of transitioning and self centered attention seeking subside, all the same problems are still there. The suicide rate for transgendered people is terribly high.

If people care about people who are suffering from trans addiction then it would be helpful to stop enabling them and encourage seeking help for their underlying malady.
 
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
A women has XX chromosomes. This will cause her brain to become more wired, side to side, between the left and right hemispheres. The latter brain wiring makes females more verbally orientated. Males have XY chromosomes and tend to develop more wiring front to back in the brain, making them more visual animals.

The XX genetic foundation of women also makes women designed for conceiving and growing babies from eggs inside their bodies. While the orientation of her natural brain's wiring is optimized to the needs of the offspring during and after birth; feelings and thoughts stemming from maternal instincts. A woman also is the sex who exclusively transfers mitochondrial DNA to the offspring. This has little to do with behavior but it can impact our energy level, since mitochondria generate cellular fuel; ATP.

A wild card, that has nothing to do with the above natural and science definitions, is a good actor. A good actor can play any role, including pretending they are someone of the opposite sex. A good performance can occur even if they have the wrong chromosomes and the wrong brain wiring, since their role can be perfected by copying behavior and dressing up in a stereo-typical way. This can be done by either sex, since this is more dependent on will power and choice, than on male or female DNA.

The quality of their act can be enhanced with artificial additives like hormone therapy and even surgery. These can help hide their natural sexual and genetic characteristics, while enhancing what is needed for their role. This can all occur by will power, choice and manmade technology.

The actor cannot will to have XX chromosomes, if they have XY. However, for their role, this can be hidden, as long as there is no blood test for the audience to analyze. A better test for women would need to be beyond the willful control of skilled actors, since many superficial people can be fooled by effective role playing. Awards are given for this.

Say an actor was given this role on a sitcom. The show turns out to be very successful and has a long run over many years. Their original character will have time to be fined tuned and even tweaked until they became more and more optimized; natural looking for that role. This can be the kiss of death for some actors, since they might become type cast, making it hard for them to be accepted in other roles.
 
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I don't know I can't figure women out when i think I do I'm wrong and as always it leaves me scratching my head on what I did wrong. Even when I think I know what she is saying I'm wrong - they are an enigma to me. Eventually it "yes dear" I don't argue it and remember very quickly i won't get anywhere.

Only a woman knows what a women is - I can tell you all about men.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I don't know I can't figure women out when i think I do I'm wrong and as always it leaves me scratching my head on what I did wrong. Even when I think I know what she is saying I'm wrong - they are an enigma to me. Eventually it "yes dear" I don't argue it and remember very quickly i won't get anywhere.

Only a woman knows what a women is - I can tell you all about men.

If a woman is always right and a man is always wrong, is he wrong when he tells a woman she is right?
 
Well if your married to a women then you know marriage is a compromise and you have to let some things go or you will be getting divorced pretty fast.

I'll add its called true love but its the most conditional love on the planet.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
It's My Birthday!
The delusions you allude to that sometimes accompany those disorders are specific and verifiably false,
I was just making the point that what goes on inside of your head does not determine your sexual biology.
while femininity is a set of culturally-specific themes for gender roles and thus freely available to adopt by individuals, especially those whose biological wiring may associate more strongly with them.
Adopting culturally specific themes considered feminient does not make you a woman. Lots of men do this and they are still men
 
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