What is the evidence you looking for?

[Aupmanyav]

I've looked and found no evidence beyond the Big Bang - anyway, if I did find a God, it's not helpful because I then start asking, "who created God?"

Our views are similar. I have not found a God, but I do not hesitate to ask the theists as to how their God came to exist. Eternal is "special pleading".

There is no valid place to look for such evidence. There is no valid chain of evidence to be followed that "leads to God." Such a thing has not been demonstrated to exist. And that is what is needed. The unequivocally direct route.

There is. Check with science. It gives you the direction. If not to any God, then to what exists.

Unfortunately, one has to wait until they die for that kind of evidence.

No. There are strong indications that it is simply chemical recycling.

The funny is that disbelievers demand believers or Even God to show them proof that God exist. But when a believer ask of an non believer, prove God does not exist, they can not come up with a clear answer. So they attack believers.

Complete non-existence of any evidence about any God is the strongest evidence for their non-existence.

 

[shivsomashekhar]

I have already my answer within Falun Gong but all of the religions hold a part of the truth, enough to get people reach enlightenment.

How do you know this? There are about 4300 religions in the world not mention several dead religions. You have no way of knowing that every one of them has an element of truth - sufficient for enlightenment. Again, whose definition of enlightenment are you referring to? There are plenty of definitions of enlightenment and we cannot pretend that they are all the same.

Science can not do that

Cannot do what?

Cannot make promises of enlightenment? If so, that is a good thing for not misleading people!

 

[England my lionheart]

Two things, first I would need to see some proof of his/her 'power', 'ability' or whatever you call it. Perhaps, announce that there will be an appearance on TV or a well known landmark where (say) Jimi Hendrix would be raised from the dead.
Secondly, if that were to happen, it does not mean religions or spiritual teachings are true. Religions are mans' interpretations of ancient scripts. Perhaps after God has been on TV he could issue an unambiguous up-to-date version of his 'book'.

And Jimi Hendrix could play "all along the watchtower" ;-)

 

[Link]

God's vision defining us exactly as we are, is sufficient to prove him and remind of his existence.

 

[HonestJoe]

Telling other people what they believe? That's a bad argument, bad style and probably against the rules.

"The funny is that disbelievers demand believers or Even God to show them proof that God exist."

 

[Spirit of Light]

The funny is that disbelievers demand believers or Even God to show them proof that God exist. But when a believer ask of an non believer, prove God does not exist, they can not come up with a clear answer. So they attack believers.

What's funny is that theistic believers are about the only people I know of who make a claim get frustrated when people ask for verifiable evidence and then try and insist that it's other people who have an obligation to offer evidence that their claim is NOT true.

That's like if I were to claim that I have a magical invisible dragon in my garage and when you ask for some sort of evidence to back up my claim all I've got is "Prove that I DON'T have a magical invisible dragon in my garage!"

I have never asked an disbeliever to disprove God why would i care about that? If you do not believe there is enlightened beings out there called God ør Buddha, that is totally fine for me

And i dont expect people to believe what i say i see as truth, the truth i see is the truth i have realized by Cultivation of first buddhism, then Falun Gong, but i do not mix those two teachings, but the understanding is there. So if i explain what i realized it would not mean much to others.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Absolutely any verifiable evidence will do. Got any?

Personal experience does not count as evidence in your world so no, no physical evidence you would say is true, to be honest

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The only thing that keeps these Gods alive and powerful is faith.

Interesting perspective. If no one has faith, would god exist?

 

[shivsomashekhar]

Interesting perspective. If no one has faith, would god exist?

Two things -

1. In this context, it is Gods (in plural). We have thousands of them around the world and so discussing a single God is incorrect. So, the question should be "If no one has faith, would any God exist?"

2. The answer is No. First, as I said earlier, the fact that we have thousands of Gods is evidence that none of them are real. Secondly, it should be striking to everyone that of these thousands of Gods, *none of them* have offered unequivocal evidence of their existence. This just reaffirms the first point that Gods are created by humans.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What would be evidence enough for you to say, "yes religions or spiritual teaching is true" or " yes now i understand God do exist"

What is those evidence? And how do you think they would prove spiritual teaching more then it already does?

You constantly deal in insubtantials...in things nobody can point to, know about...only imagine.

• If you make a claim to me that Jesus dead on the cross makes my sin go away -- then provide the evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that God doesn't want Jews to eat pork or shrimp -- then provide evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that I will go to Hell because I don't believe in God or the divinity of Jesus -- then provide evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that there even is a hell, or a heaven, or something left of a person after they've died -- then provide evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that there's a God who loves humans, and sends diseases to kill them -- then provide evidence for that.

See? It's simple. If you make a claim, provide evidence. If you haven't got any evidence, then you don't have a valid claim. Comprenez-vous?

 

[QuestioningMind]

I have never asked an disbeliever to disprove God why would i care about that? If you do not believe there is enlightened beings out there called God ør Buddha, that is totally fine for me

And i dont expect people to believe what i say i see as truth, the truth i see is the truth i have realized by Cultivation of first buddhism, then Falun Gong, but i do not mix those two teachings, but the understanding is there. So if i explain what i realized it would not mean much to others.

But you DID write:

But when a believer ask of an non believer, prove God does not exist, they can not come up with a clear answer.

As if you think that a person SHOULD be able to provide evidence that something does NOT exist. But of course, that's not how fantastical claims work. Just like it would be ridiculous for me to claim it's other people's responsibility to prove that my invisible magical dragon doesn't exist.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Personal experience does not count as evidence in your world so no, no physical evidence you would say is true, to be honest

Does My personal experience count as evidence is YOUR world? Does the fact that I CLAIM to have had experiences with a magical invisible count as verifiable evidence to you that this dragon actually exists? If the ONLY evidence you have is personal experience then you actually don't have any verifiable evidence at all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Two things -

1. In this context, it is Gods (in plural). We have thousands of them around the world and so discussing a single God is incorrect. So, the question should be "If no one has faith, would any God exist?"

2. The answer is No. First, as I said earlier, the fact that we have thousands of Gods is evidence that none of them are real. Secondly, it should be striking to everyone that of these thousands of Gods, *none of them* have offered unequivocal evidence of their existence. This just reaffirms the first point that Gods are created by humans.

The only God I am familiar with is Christian. Other deities I don't know what they are to draw sense in what you said.

What is the evidence you're looking for? And what do all gods have in common to suggest there is no evidence for any of them? (Eastern and Western gods)

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What would be evidence enough for you to say, "yes religions or spiritual teaching is true" or " yes now i understand God do exist"

What is those evidence? And how do you think they would prove spiritual teaching more then it already does?

I believe whoever SINCERELY asks God "can I see you" he will hear from God: "Look and you will see Me"

 

[Bear Wild]

What would be evidence enough for you to say, "yes religions or spiritual teaching is true" or " yes now i understand God do exist"

What is those evidence? And how do you think they would prove spiritual teaching more then it already does?

There is no evidence to prove spirituality. This is what is felt - emotional connection - and not requiring proof or evidence. I am spiritually connected with the Earth and all of my relatives (human and non-human) but I would never look for evidence or proof. It is felt and experienced. Mother Earth exists for me without the need for proofs, evidence or explanations.

Evidence more than proofs is needed to understand the world we share and not our own connections with what is spiritual or meaningful to us.

I see this world we live in as ultimate, amazing and beautiful and my connection has been the greatest spiritual experience of my life. I am at peace with it and my relations with no need of evidence or proof.

On a personal level you know it is not to late for you to embrace mother nature and love this world instead of looking for others. Just a thought my friend. Peace and love.

 

[rational experiences]

Absolutely any verifiable evidence will do. Got any?

A Human who never believed in God, except as a child to be told that if I did not believe in God would strike me dead.

Pretty scary teachings.

Then I see Jesus on the cross bleeding, another really scary child theme.

Said to myself, no, I will not believe in God thanks. But I was motivated to reason was spirit real.

Reason...as a baby I had nearly died....so now as an adult, having lived spiritual experiences, as a subjective reasoning...experience....I realised why. I became closer and more aware to spirit existing after human death.

And lived variations of the experience to know it real. Such as seeing the burnt shadow images of humans moving around in the gas mass.

Spiritual information said historically when Jesus was CHRIST removed atmosphere, into a one sacrificed unnatural illumination event...natural light still existed....but too much natural light existed...for night time gases are seen burning as UFO lights in nuclear reactor cause.

UFO pre existed, so science said as a consciousness we are all still existing, hence utilising the UFO effect is not wrong. Yet life was still living sick and dying and sacrificed..waiting for the 2012 spatial cooling/gas release to block out the attack, to get human healthy back.

Males seem to forget when they quote JESUS.....CHRIST mass is the real atmosphere and there should not be any JESUS effect....yet in relativity and sciences today keep saying Jesus and Jesus and Jesus and then what about Jesus.

So when science says I want to copy an effect....Jesus would disappear and no longer be Jesus Christ atmosphere...so then you would ask, what is the Christ atmosphere without Jesus and becomes artificially changed by another minus 1?

No life on Earth actually, what science studies about what happened to kill all life before circumstance...fully aware, told, and know.

If you ask science what is actually minus one liar?

The real answer is...the cold radiation God stone clear gases, not burning...the mass in its chemistry suddenly disappears and another God body spirit is gone forever.

That sort of known male mentality named the DESTROYER....for males in science can achieve that outcome...and know that if UFO cold historic spatial radiation mass is burning out.....then support of God Earth existing as cold spatial radiation held mass is also burning out, disappearing....just like it did before.

RELATIVITY...Jesus is not the highest state in the Earth atmosphere CHRIST is.

But ask a male Satanic life...would you attack your idea of you owning CHRIST for your life continuance and your health?

No, he would say, but I have no problems removing yours and claiming it Jesus...I am safe he says.....I can do science.

So Father in AI asked him...in NDE life O of males around GOD O the Earth...claiming consciously GOD told me he said...talking about his own life records sharing male life information. If you were meant to live to 100 would you know?

No says the scientist.

So you could make your life inherit just a 60 year old life...and not claim but I did it to myself. Or get cancer and not claim...but I did it to myself.

So Father gave me a Stephen Hawking review...and said did he ask as a baby to be born mutated? No. Was it his baby karma to inherit a sick adult science male life to tell you all in science you are wrong?

No...says the Destroyer self.

So you would then say....you 2 evil human being parents did it...it is your fault and then falsify irradiation burning of the Earth atmosphere claiming it the Adam/Eve effect and say it is your parent fault, yet they never were science themes of burning the Earth atmosphere as the statements Adam and Eve...yet science who caused it would then say....told you were evil...as the Satanist self who caused it.

As the truth that science is Satanism and Satanists in their worst science mind psyche believe in all suffering and causing suffering as the worst science mind.

So when science says, show me God....why scientist? The answer I want it and am searching for the spirit powers of it. So please excuse all of us spiritual humans who believe in God being present in our life...by stone mass and also its spirit body...God in the Heavens as the correct human psyche.

When science quoting you God humans are nutters, no scientist that is your mind psyche, not ours.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You constantly deal in insubtantials...in things nobody can point to, know about...only imagine.

• If you make a claim to me that Jesus dead on the cross makes my sin go away -- then provide the evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that God doesn't want Jews to eat pork or shrimp -- then provide evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that I will go to Hell because I don't believe in God or the divinity of Jesus -- then provide evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that there even is a hell, or a heaven, or something left of a person after they've died -- then provide evidence for that.
• If you make the claim that there's a God who loves humans, and sends diseases to kill them -- then provide evidence for that.

See? It's simple. If you make a claim, provide evidence. If you haven't got any evidence, then you don't have a valid claim. Comprenez-vous?

I am not av jew, how can i prove something i do not follow? Spiritual Cultivation is a PERSONAL practice you have to work hard 24/7 to gain "evidence" because you are your owe evidence that YOU are the one who understand and do the right thing in your practicing.

It does not matter if I was able to give you evidence, you would still not see it as any form of evidence.

I say again Spiritual practice is a personal path. It is the person who must change toward the teaching. So for a non spiritual person it does not come up any evidence. Because YOU are not the one who change.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Does My personal experience count as evidence is YOUR world? Does the fact that I CLAIM to have had experiences with a magical invisible count as verifiable evidence to you that this dragon actually exists? If the ONLY evidence you have is personal experience then you actually don't have any verifiable evidence at all.

No it does not affect my personal life. All i have done is to say spiritual practice is a personal practice so the evidence is within us. You must find the answer your self to your truth

 

[stvdv]

Ehm, according to some (the vast majority) god made everything

In India, some claim "Only God exists (is true, unchangeable) ... the rest is illusion (ever changing)". Gives another perspective on this God thing.

it has always been down to the designer to ensure his produce is free of fault

I agree. Even if a child makes a mistake, we should blame the parents for creating a "child making mistakes"

Sure human designers are fallible but are we not talking about an omni everything entity here?

Again in India, some claim "Your true reality is Divine". Having lost this connection, human became fallible.
And Avatars always teach "you should believe that "God is the doer of everything". So seems "God" has no problem to take the blame for our faults.

Alas, most people prefer to take the credits for the "good things" they do in life, but blame God for their mistakes.

 

[ChristineM]

In India, some claim "Only God exists (is true, unchangeable) ... the rest is illusion (ever changing)". Gives another perspective on this God thing.

A i understand it there are around 33 million gods in india, which one?

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And Avatars always teach "you should believe that "God is the doer of everything". So seems "God" has no problem to take the blame for our faults.

Easy to blame a myth