What is the Trinity?

[SA Huguenot]

I thought I should open a thread to discuss the Trinity to clarify the details to benefit my own thinking. I love to discuss such topics on forums like this, to get all the information sorted, and all the arguments noted.

The argument against the Trinity goes as such.

Trinitarians believe in 3 gods. The Trinity was concocted by Constantine, or some even claim that Paul invented the Trinity. The Unitarians again, they claim that the Trinity derived from Egyptian or Indian paganism.

Be as it may, I believe in the Trinity where God the Father is revealed as YHWH, He has a Word, who we know as Jesus, and a Spirit we call the Holy Ghost.

I am quite convinced from the Bible that YHWH is a Trinity, and to me it does not mean a polytheistic god at all.
Please note, If I believed the Trinity are 3 gods, I will be the first to condemn this concept.

With about 4 questions to anyone who claims the Trinity is inexplainable, and confusing to understand, everyone will be able to understand the Trinity.

Here is the first question.

Is there anything in the Universe that can be compared with the Trinity?

Christian apologists say it is not possible, because if there is anything we can compare with God, we will obviously have a second god.

It is a reasonable claim, but what does God say, can we compare Him to anything?

 

[Wasp]

Can we compare one of the three to the other two? Personally, in Christian terms, I think the Father is certainly the most high and Jesus the least high.

That's not the only argument against trinity. Christians don't have three Gods. They have one God. But why do they want Him in three seperate units? Also since the "Father" is the most high, why pray to Jesus? I know all don't but some do. It's absurd.

 

[JJ50]

In my opinion, the so called 'trinity' exists only in the mind of believers.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I thought I should open a thread to discuss the Trinity to clarify the details to benefit my own thinking. I love to discuss such topics on forums like this, to get all the information sorted, and all the arguments noted.

The argument against the Trinity goes as such.

Trinitarians believe in 3 gods. The Trinity was concocted by Constantine, or some even claim that Paul invented the Trinity. The Unitarians again, they claim that the Trinity derived from Egyptian or Indian paganism.

Be as it may, I believe in the Trinity where God the Father is revealed as YHWH, He has a Word, who we know as Jesus, and a Spirit we call the Holy Ghost.

I am quite convinced from the Bible that YHWH is a Trinity, and to me it does not mean a polytheistic god at all.
Please note, If I believed the Trinity are 3 gods, I will be the first to condemn this concept.

With about 4 questions to anyone who claims the Trinity is inexplainable, and confusing to understand, everyone will be able to understand the Trinity.

Here is the first question.

Is there anything in the Universe that can be compared with the Trinity?

Christian apologists say it is not possible, because if there is anything we can compare with God, we will obviously have a second god.

It is a reasonable claim, but what does God say, can we compare Him to anything?

The doctrine of the Trinity was useful in considering the inter-relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The doctrine's main problem is insisting itself to be The Truth and the only way of understanding how these essential aspects of Christian Faith are connected. It essentially elevates a man made doctrine to the status of the Words Of Jesus Himself. The Trinity is never mention in the entire Christian Bible and there are an abundance of scripture that contradicts the concept of a Triune God as espoused by the Nicene Creed.

 

[SA Huguenot]

The doctrine of the Trinity was useful in considering the inter-relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The doctrine's main problem is insisting itself to be The Truth and the only way of understanding how these essential aspects of Christian Faith are connected. It essentially elevates a man made doctrine to the status of the Words Of Jesus Himself. The Trinity is never mention in the entire Christian Bible and there are an abundance of scripture that contradicts the concept of a Triune God as espoused by the Nicene Creed.

The Nicean Creed does not describe a Trinity.
And if one say the Entire Bible never mention the Trinity, do you mean the WORD "Trinity", or the description of the Trinity does not exist in the entire Bible.
If you say the idea or description of the Trinity does not exist in the ENTIRE Bible, what about Isiah 48?

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Isa 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Isa 48:14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

Isa 48:15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

here we have the Creator who existed from the Beginning telling us He was sent by the Father and His Spirit.

 

[SA Huguenot]

The Question I asked was, "can we compare God with anything in the Universe?
Well, what does God say about His appearance?
Does He not say, "Let Us make man in Our immage?"
and God made man in "His immage".

Therefore, God compares himself with Humans!
OK, so what does this mean?
Does God look like a human?

 

[rocala]

I do hope we get some good answers here. I have never understood the idea of the Trinity, but find it fascinating.
It is not of my personal beliefs, but as a European it is a part of my history and heritage.
Thanks for posting @SA Huguenot

 

[SA Huguenot]

I do hope we get some good answers here. I have never understood the idea of the Trinity, but find it fascinating.
It is not of my personal beliefs, but as a European it is a part of my history and heritage.
Thanks for posting @SA Huguenot

Sure, I originally decided to find out what the heck this trinity comprises off, and I was amaized at the simplicidly of it.
But most of all, The Trinity is the answer to understand Salvation in Christianity.
You will like it.

 

[Wasp]

The Question I asked was, "can we compare God with anything in the Universe?
Well, what does God say about His appearance?
Does He not say, "Let Us make man in Our immage?"
and God made man in "His immage".

Therefore, God compares himself with Humans!
OK, so what does this mean?
Does God look like a human?

Means he gave people some of his attributes in smaller quantities and that we're all descendants of Adam.

 

[sooda]

Can we compare one of the three to the other two? Personally, in Christian terms, I think the Father is certainly the most high and Jesus the least high.

That's not the only argument against trinity. Christians don't have three Gods. They have one God. But why do they want Him in three seperate units? Also since the "Father" is the most high, why pray to Jesus? I know all don't but some do. It's absurd.

I don't think most Christians pray to Jesus except on TV. They pray to God in Jesus' name. Does that make sense to you?

 

[Wasp]

I don't think most Christians pray to Jesus except on TV. They pray to God in Jesus' name. Does that make sense to you?

No.

 

[sooda]

No.

LOLOL.. I find three in one to be difficult as well.

 

[sooda]

26 Top Bible Verses About the Trinity - Father, Son, Holy ...
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• • 1 Corinthians 8:6. 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for …
  • 2 Corinthians 3:17. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
  • 2 Corinthians 13:14. 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the …
  • Colossians 2:9. 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

 

[calm]

I thought I should open a thread to discuss the Trinity to clarify the details to benefit my own thinking. I love to discuss such topics on forums like this, to get all the information sorted, and all the arguments noted.

The argument against the Trinity goes as such.

Trinitarians believe in 3 gods. The Trinity was concocted by Constantine, or some even claim that Paul invented the Trinity. The Unitarians again, they claim that the Trinity derived from Egyptian or Indian paganism.

Be as it may, I believe in the Trinity where God the Father is revealed as YHWH, He has a Word, who we know as Jesus, and a Spirit we call the Holy Ghost.

I am quite convinced from the Bible that YHWH is a Trinity, and to me it does not mean a polytheistic god at all.
Please note, If I believed the Trinity are 3 gods, I will be the first to condemn this concept.

With about 4 questions to anyone who claims the Trinity is inexplainable, and confusing to understand, everyone will be able to understand the Trinity.

Here is the first question.

Is there anything in the Universe that can be compared with the Trinity?

Christian apologists say it is not possible, because if there is anything we can compare with God, we will obviously have a second god.

It is a reasonable claim, but what does God say, can we compare Him to anything?

Yes there is a comparison.
We people are a trinity too. We people consist of a body, a soul and a spirit. And yet we are not each 3 people but only one human. It is the same with God, he consists of a body, a soul and a spirit. And yet it is not three God but only one God. The body of God is Jesus, the soul of God is the Father and the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit. But the difference between us and God is that he can share himself and we can not. Now you ask yourself what Jesus was before he became human (body). The answer is, he did not exist and did exist anyway. Jesus as a person did not exist but his nature(God) was always there. It's like people. If somebody asks a human, how long do you exist? Then you have 2 answer possibilities. The first one is: since my birth. The second is: Since Adam and Eve. The first answer is related to the person himself, the second is related to the nature. All people are one nature, namely: human. So it is with God the Father, God the Son and God the spirit, they are one nature, namely: God. So, if you ask Jesus, how long do you exist? then he also has several answer possibilities, but there are 2 differences with Jesus, the first is, he has 3 answer possibilities, the second is, he consists of 2 beings, he is the son of a human and the son of God, he is 100% human and 100% God at the same time. So, if you ask him: How long do you exist? Then he have 3 possible answers, the first one is: Since my birth (as the person himself) the second is: Since Adam and Eve (as human), the third is: I have no beginning (as God).

Does man have a soul and a spirit?
Yes he has.
The Bible mentions and differentiates spirit, soul and body.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but can not kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

What is the difference between body, soul and spirit?
The body is the physical part, you can touch it and see it. If someone hits you in the stomach then you feel pain. The soul is your personality (will, conscience, mind, thoughts ...) you can not touch or see the soul and yet it feels pains like the body. The difference to the body is that one can not hurt the soul with blows but with insulting words. With the spirit, you can communicate with God.

Is the Holy spirit a person?
Yes it is a person.
The Bible shows in many places that the Holy Spirit is acting, and that can only be said by one person.
The Holy Spirit ...
• teaches the disciples (Luke 12:12, John 14:26, 1 Corinthians 2:13)
• leads the sons(Romans 8:14, Galatians 5:18)
• witnesses the forgiveness of sins to Christians (Hebrews 10:15)
• convict the world of sin, justice and judgment (John 16:8-11)
• leads believers into the whole truth (John 16:13)


The Scriptures not only show that the Spirit of God is acting, but are also presented as someone with whom something happens.
The Holy Spirit can ...
• to be blasphemed (Mark 3:29, 30)
• be lied to (Acts 5: 3)
• be tried, that is, put to the test (Acts 5: 9)
• to be fought (Acts 7:51)
• be saddened (Eph 4,30)

Is the holy spirit God?
Yes he is God.
Many of the quoted scriptures already make it clear that the mind is not just a person but also God. But because this point is so important, I would like to shed some light on it.
First of all, the Spirit is explicitly called the Spirit of God in Holy Scripture (Gen. 1:2, Mt 3:16).
Acts 5: 3-4 (emphasis added) is very clear: "And Peter said, Ananias, why did Satan fill your heart, that you lied to the Holy Ghost and took away the proceeds of the field? ... You have not lied to humans, but to God. "
more:
• omnipresent (Ps 139,7)
• omniscient (Isa 40,13, 1 Cor 2:11)
• Almighty (Job 26:13)
• sovereign (Jn 3: 8, 1 Cor 12: 4-11)
• eternal (Heb 9.14)

Is Jesus God?

Yes he is.

• Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8)
• Jesus is the true God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)(Isaiah 9:6)(Hebrews 1:8)
• Jesus is the creator (Romans 11:36) (Colossians 1:16-17)
• God became flesh and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)
• God is the only Redeemer (Isaiah 43:11) = Jesus is the Redeemer (Luke 2:11)
• Jesus is worshipped (Acts 7:59-60)
• God is the Lord of Lords (Deuteronomy 10:17) = Jesus is the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)

..........

 

[SA Huguenot]

OK, so lets' start the disection of the Trinity theory.
If we have an audience and I were to adress everyone, say on the Trinity, I will start of by asking.
Is everyone here tonight alive and well?
Look at the person next to you and raise your hand if they are dead.?
I am sure a few people will smile and some might even raise their hands as a joke, but everyone will agree that there is no dead corpse next to them.
I will then tell everyone:
"I am going to show you that I can read your minds. I want each and everyone to think of something and to keep it in your mind, untill I tell you what your word is. I will do this for everyone here in the audience tonight."
I bet you everyone will wait in anticipation to see if what I claim will be demonstrated, because they would like me to make an error, or at least prove that I can read their minds.
I will then close my eyes, pretend as if I am thinking and using some incredible powers, and when I open my eyes, I will say the following with a smile on my face.
"Nope, I cant do it!"
After the laughing, I will say: "Did you see what happened? When I told you to think of something, 'something' did enter your mind! So, do you agree? You have a MIND.
OK, some wize guy will try to joke about this too, and will say: No, I dont have a mind!
I can just imaggine how the audience will laugh at him when I reply, "OK, so you lost your mind then?!"
Then I will end off with my 3rd claim.
"Because we are looking at the Biblical description of the Trinity, we should regard our thinking as Christian. How many of you believe you have an immortal SPIRIT living inside of you?"

Well, all the Christians will answer they do.
I will then summarize my findings.
Great, we all have:
a living body,
a living immortal spirit, and
a mind.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen, you are one person but consists of 3 atributes that is you.
You are a Trinity.

The next qyuest is to find out what the heck does this have to do with the Triune God?

 

[SA Huguenot]

Yes there is a comparison.
We humans are a trinity too. We humans consist of a body, a soul and a spirit. And yet we are not 3 humans but only one human. It is the same with God, he consists of a body, a soul and a spirit. And yet it is not three God but only one God. The body of God is Jesus, the soul of God is the Father and the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit. But the difference between us and God is that he can share himself and we can not. Now you ask yourself what Jesus was before he became human (body). The answer is, he did not exist and did exist anyway. Jesus as a person did not exist but his nature(God) was always there. It's like the humans. If somebody asks a human, how long do you exist? Then you have 2 answer possibilities. The first one is: since my birth. The second is: Since Adam and Eve. The first answer is related to the person himself, the second is related to the nature. All human beings are one being, namely: human. So it is with God the Father, God the Son and God the spirit, they are one being, namely: God. So, if you ask Jesus, how long do you exist? then he also has several answer possibilities, but there are 2 differences with Jesus, the first is, he has 3 answer possibilities, the second is, he consists of 2 beings, he is the son of a human and the son of God, he is 100% human and 100% God at the same time. So, if you ask him: How long do you exist? Then he have 3 possible answers, the first one is: Since my birth (as the person himself) the second is: Since Adam and Eve (as human), the third is: I have no beginning (as God).

Does man have a soul and a spirit?
Yes he has.
The Bible mentions and differentiates spirit, soul and body.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now the God of Peace Himself, and you may have kept your soul and soul blameless at the coming of Jesus.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of Al is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but can not kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

What is the difference between body, soul and spirit?
The body is the physical part, you can touch it and see it. If someone hits you in the stomach then you feel pain. The soul is your personality (will, conscience, mind, thoughts ...) you can not touch or see the soul and yet it feels pains like the body. The difference to the body is that one can not hurt the soul with blows but with insulting words. With the spirit, you can communicate with God.

Is the Holy spirit a person?
Yes it is a person.
The Bible shows in many places that the Holy Spirit is acting, and that can only be said by one person.
The Holy Spirit ...
• teaches the disciples (Luke 12:12, John 14:26, 1 Corinthians 2:13)
• leads the sons(Romans 8:14, Galatians 5:18)
• witnesses the forgiveness of sins to Christians (Hebrews 10:15)
• convict the world of sin, justice and judgment (John 16:8-11)
• leads believers into the whole truth (John 16:13)


The Scriptures not only show that the Spirit of God is acting, but are also presented as someone with whom something happens.
The Holy Spirit can ...
• to be blasphemed (Mark 3:29, 30)
• be lied to (Acts 5: 3)
• be tried, that is, put to the test (Acts 5: 9)
• to be fought (Acts 7:51)
• be saddened (Eph 4,30)

Is the holy spirit God?
Yes he is God.
Many of the quoted scriptures already make it clear that the mind is not just a person but also God. But because this point is so important, I would like to shed some light on it.
First of all, the Spirit is explicitly called the Spirit of God in Holy Scripture (Gen. 1:2, Mt 3:16).
Acts 5: 3-4 (emphasis added) is very clear: "And Peter said, Ananias, why did Satan fill your heart, that you lied to the Holy Ghost and took away the proceeds of the field? ... You have not lied to humans, but to God. "
more:
• omnipresent (Ps 139,7)
• omniscient (Isa 40,13, 1 Cor 2:11)
• Almighty (Job 26:13)
• sovereign (Jn 3: 8, 1 Cor 12: 4-11)
• eternal (Heb 9.14)

Is Jesus God?

Yes he is.

• Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8)
• Jesus is the true God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)(Isaiah 9:6)(Hebrews 1:8)
• Jesus is the creator (Romans 11:36) (Colossians 1:16-17)
• God became flesh and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)
• God is the only Redeemer (Isaiah 43:11) = Jesus is the Redeemer (Luke 2:11)
• Jesus is worshipped (Acts 7:59-60)
• God is the Lord of Lords (Deuteronomy 10:17) = Jesus is the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)

..........

TNX you are helping a lot.
You will lateron enjoy what I will show you.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I came to the conclusion that we as humans consists of :
a living body,
a living immortal spirit, and
a mind.
How does this compare with the Trinity?
Well, does God have a body?
We know he has a Mind or as we call it "The Word" and a Spirit.
But something is wrong when we compare God to human!
Humans are mortal, but God can not die!

Then I realised that God created Adam in His immage!
I then tried to find out what appearance God has and I learned that God is LIGHT!
At mount Horeb, God appeared to Israel in the form of LIGHT, even Moses was radiated by this LIGHT of God.
When Jesus was transfigured, He was changed in Light. (mark 9:2,3)
Anyhow, there are many such examples.

Then it hit me, Adam and Eve were created in the immage of God, this means they were covered in this glorious light.
I took into consideration that Adam and Eve knew not that they were naked, this means that they were wearing light like we ware garments.
God even says that of Himself:
Ps 104: 2 He wraps Himself in light as with a garment;
Now things started to fall into place.
The bodies of Adam and Eve were not created corrupt, but to live forever!
Once Adam and Eve sinned against God, they realised they were naked. Therfore, the conclusion is that they lost their immortal bodies and the living force of light which surrounded them, and they started to age! God said to them, on the day you eat of that tree, surely you will die! Guess what happened, they lost their light bodies, their immortality and became a corrupt ageing body like we all are today!

Now we have the "Glorious body of Adam covered in light" which was a copy of the Body of God the Father.
We continue to the next facet, which is the Spirit of Man.
I wont elaborate much about the Spirit of Man, except for the fact that Jesus told us about the Rich man and Lazarus who died and ended up in Gehenna. The rich man was in the Hell area, and opposit this was the poor man at the paradise area. These people were concious as Spirits, and was identifieble as the persons who once lived as mortals. Their bodies was in the grave, but their spirit were still living after death.

This will reflect the Spirit of YHWH that hovered above the face of the Waters.
OK, so if the Spirit of God could leave the existance of God, does it mean that God dies like the poor man died when his spirit left him?
No, because God is immortal, therefore, if the Spirit leaves the Existance of God, the Spirit acts as God! and the Existance does not die, but acts as God also.

What about the Word of God?
This Word who was with God in the Beginning, who was god and created everything in John 1.
Well, this is the Word, or in our modern thinking, the Mind of God who came to earth and lived and died as a man.

Great, this is the explanation of what the Trinity is, and we will go to Biblical references lateron, as well as to WCH Pauli, and Philo lateron.

The Trinity is God in all His Glory!
The Father is YHWH the Existance who is covered in light.
The Word is the Mind of YHWH called YHWHshua,
and the Spirit is the acting Force of YHWH in YHWH's creation.

Now, any god that is not a Trinity such as YHWH, is a non existant entity.
Why:
I told a Muslim once: Allah has no existance covered with light, therefore Allah has no body and does not exist.
Allah do not have a Spirit such as YHWH, therefore Allah's non existing body can not interact with the believers here on earth.
Well, and Allah also LOST HIS MIND!
So any god that does not fit in with the Trinity has no existance, living spirit and is without a mind.

Now that this was explaned, what does this have to do with our salvation?

 

[shunyadragon]

I thought I should open a thread to discuss the Trinity to clarify the details to benefit my own thinking. I love to discuss such topics on forums like this, to get all the information sorted, and all the arguments noted.

The argument against the Trinity goes as such.

Trinitarians believe in 3 gods. The Trinity was concocted by Constantine, or some even claim that Paul invented the Trinity. The Unitarians again, they claim that the Trinity derived from Egyptian or Indian paganism.

The argument does not support that the Trinity was 'concocted by Constantine. The argument is that the concept of the Trinity developed under the Roman and Greek Church Fathers who dominated Christianity is a much better documented view. The NEw Testament was edited to support the Trinity.

Be as it may, I believe in the Trinity where God the Father is revealed as YHWH, He has a Word, who we know as Jesus, and a Spirit we call the Holy Ghost.

I am quite convinced from the Bible that YHWH is a Trinity, and to me it does not mean a polytheistic god at all.
Please note, If I believed the Trinity are 3 gods, I will be the first to condemn this concept.

OK, you believe in the traditional Christina belief in the Trinity. The actual description of the Trinity describes three distinct persons (Gods) as being one, A form of polytheism called tritheism Not much different from the Hindu belief that all the Gods are attributes of the One God Brahman.

With about 4 questions to anyone who claims the Trinity is inexplainable, and confusing to understand, everyone will be able to understand the Trinity.

The Trinity is of course explainable, but in contradiction with the belief of the One and only One God of Judaism, not divisible nor incarnate.

Here is the first question.

Is there anything in the Universe that can be compared with the Trinity?

Christian apologists say it is not possible, because if there is anything we can compare with God, we will obviously have a second god.

It is a reasonable claim, but what does God say, can we compare Him to anything?

Comparison would not justify the Trinity.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't think most Christians pray to Jesus except on TV. They pray to God in Jesus' name. Does that make sense to you?

Though Billy Graham asked his followers to put their hands on the TV and feel the vibes from God as they prayed. The electrical vibes disappeared when they put a third ground wire on the TV,

 

[leov]

I thought I should open a thread to discuss the Trinity to clarify the details to benefit my own thinking. I love to discuss such topics on forums like this, to get all the information sorted, and all the arguments noted.

The argument against the Trinity goes as such.

Trinitarians believe in 3 gods. The Trinity was concocted by Constantine, or some even claim that Paul invented the Trinity. The Unitarians again, they claim that the Trinity derived from Egyptian or Indian paganism.

Be as it may, I believe in the Trinity where God the Father is revealed as YHWH, He has a Word, who we know as Jesus, and a Spirit we call the Holy Ghost.

I am quite convinced from the Bible that YHWH is a Trinity, and to me it does not mean a polytheistic god at all.
Please note, If I believed the Trinity are 3 gods, I will be the first to condemn this concept.

With about 4 questions to anyone who claims the Trinity is inexplainable, and confusing to understand, everyone will be able to understand the Trinity.

Here is the first question.

Is there anything in the Universe that can be compared with the Trinity?

Christian apologists say it is not possible, because if there is anything we can compare with God, we will obviously have a second god.

It is a reasonable claim, but what does God say, can we compare Him to anything?

Trinity was explanation to those who was not able comprehend pure spiritual event and needed physical body to be present