What is your opinion of Jesus?

[YoursTrue]

Because different Jews so often have different opinions-- 2 Jews have 3 opinions on just about everything.

so the saying goes. And of course the Pope says he's not sanctioning marriage among homosexuals, just blessing them as he would everybody. If I have that correct.
So are you saying you were bar mitzvah'd?

 

[YoursTrue]

No, that's not why it's done as some teachings are not always absolutely clear. For example, why did haShem "harden Pharoah's heart", which led to the death of many Jews and Egyptians? It's not spelled out in Torah why.

Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking strictly about what Jews consider Jews to be. Mother-father-as I said my relative receives messages from God he says because he is a Levite. YOU THINK I BELIEVE THAT?? Although he says he gets messages. Do I believe he thinks he's getting messages from God? Yes. Do I think those messages are from God? Nope, you got it. And what the Jewish website says about women is interesting and goes in accordance with what the Bible reflects about Joseph and Mary when he found out she was pregnant.

 

[metis]

So are you saying you were bar mitzvah'd?

No, because of my age. But I had to go in front of three rabbis whereas I was asked a series of questions that lasted about 30 minutes. Then to the mikvah.

 

[metis]

I'm talking strictly about what Jews consider Jews to be.

Different Jewish branches have some different takes on this, much like we see within Christianity.

Mother-father-as I said my relative receives messages from God he says because he is a Levite. YOU THINK I BELIEVE THAT??

I neither believe nor disbelieve as how could I possibly know?

 

[YoursTrue]

No, because of my age. But I had to go in front of three rabbis whereas I was asked a series of questions that lasted about 30 minutes. Then to the mikvah.

On the other hand, my doctor was bar mitzvah'd with his son in the U.S. because he came from a middle eastern country and I guess the Jewish religion wasn't so practiced there. Maybe I'll ask him next time I see him if he really got bar mitzvah'd with his son as he told me. Ya never know...but you converted to Judaism, I gather, and then went back to the Catholic Church, do I have this right so far? This is better than a mystery story...

 

[YoursTrue]

Different Jewish branches have some different takes on this, much like we see within Christianity.



I neither believe nor disbelieve as how could I possibly know?

I realize that would have probably been your position.

 

[metis]

Ya never know...but you converted to Judaism, I gather, and then went back to the Catholic Church, do I have this right so far? This is better than a mystery story...

Yes, but for more personal reasons plus a problem I ran into. The only one who knows most of the story here is @Kenny.

I gotta leave for the rest of the weekend, so take care.

 

[YoursTrue]

Then we also have Bahaullah who I think may have claimed to receive messages from whatever--and of course Mohammed. As the old song goes, "Anything Goes..." lol ... but not with the nation of Israel when it was under the auspices of God the Almighty. And then of course, to round it off, the last physical temple was ransacked by the Romans and has not been rebuilt.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, but for more personal reasons plus a problem I ran into. The only one who knows most of the story here is @Kenny.

I gotta leave for the rest of the weekend, so take care.

Thank you, metis, for attempting to explain. I realize it may be very personal.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Bible does not even mention a follower of Paul. I don't know where the anti-Christians came up with that.

I found out these words of Paul:

1 Cor. 1:10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 11 For some from the house of Chloʹe have informed me regarding you, my brothers, that there are dissensions among you. 12 What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,” “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Christ.” 13 Is the Christ divided? Paul was not executed on the stake for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crisʹpus and Gaʹius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16 Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephʹa·nas. As for the rest, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else. 17 For Christ sent me, not to baptize, but to declare the good news; and not with wisdom of speech, so that the torture stake of the Christ should not be made useless.

Does that mean that Paul made his own religion, or just the opposite?

"Does that mean that Paul made his own religion? "


Yes he (Paul), his associates and the Church exactly did that, and that religion had got nothing to do with the teachings and deeds of (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

"Does that mean that Paul made his own religion? "


Yes he (Paul), his associates and the Church exactly did that, and that religion had got nothing to do with the teachings and deeds of (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?

Regards

How about Mohammed, do you put him in a similar category?

 

[YoursTrue]

@paarsurrey please, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

"Does that mean that Paul made his own religion? "


Yes he (Paul), his associates and the Church exactly did that, and that religion had got nothing to do with the teachings and deeds of (Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah ( who was neither a Zealot, nor he belonged to the Zionism people nor to the Judaism people), please, right?

Regards

Try reading @Eli G's post again. You surely are not getting your information from the holy scriptures, right, please?

 

[Eli G]

Try reading @Eli G's post again. You surely are not getting your information from the holy scriptures, right, please?

He surely is not.

He talks about another "Paul" that the anti-Christians invented and that has nothing to do with the Paul we learn about in the Bible. Obviously, that "Paul" is only useful to those who live in the world of novels... not to those who know who Paul really was, the one spoken of by Luke in the book of Acts (Chapters 13-28), or Peter in his letter.

2 Pet. 2:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[YoursTrue]

He surely is not.

He talks about another "Paul" that the anti-Christians invented and that has nothing to do with the Paul we learn about in the Bible. Obviously, that "Paul" is only useful to those who live in the world of novels... not to those who know who Paul really was, the one spoken of by Luke in the book of Acts (Chapters 13-28), or Peter in his letter.

2 Pet. 2:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Yes, I do not know where paarsurrey and those similar get their information from. I prefer the Bible anyway.

 

[YoursTrue]

He surely is not.

He talks about another "Paul" that the anti-Christians invented and that has nothing to do with the Paul we learn about in the Bible. Obviously, that "Paul" is only useful to those who live in the world of novels... not to those who know who Paul really was, the one spoken of by Luke in the book of Acts (Chapters 13-28), or Peter in his letter.

2 Pet. 2:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

It's amazing. So if there are miracles in the Bible that are amazing, life itself with people's opinions can be even more amazing...sometimes. And the deciding factor can be something like Moses with Pharaoh...

 

[Eli G]

Yes, I do not know where paarsurrey and those similar get their information from. I prefer the Bible anyway.

From nowhere ... they invented a "Paul" and they want to use it to sustitute the real one in people's mind.
We must help others not to get deceived by these liars.

 

[YoursTrue]

From nowhere ... they just invented a "Paul" and they want to use it to sustitute the real one in people's mind.
We must help others not to get deceived by these liars.

I'm sticking with the Bible, thankful to have been able to understand it better.

 

[YoursTrue]

later, perhaps.

 

[Eli G]

If the Devil manages to distort the image of the real Paul, he manages to downplay more than half of the Christian Scriptures. That's all.