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What Is Your Opinion On Marijuana?

Pozessed

Todd
I believe marijuana to be a harmless plant.

It does make you high, but not incompetent.

Marijuanas legal status is based on racial slander as opposed to scientific fact.

There are no deaths related to marijuana overdose.

Marijuana is no more of a gateway drug than cigarettes and beer if they were put on the black market.

Hemp is a great natural resource.

Marijuana is found to have more medicinal purposes than various pharmaceuticals and with less side effects.

Marijuana costs no more than a pack of cigarettes to manufacture. A pack of cigarettes weighs about 1oz. 1oz of marijuana costs 80-120 for the lowest grade of quality on the black market.

Kids should not have access to it, it should be over 18-21.

I'm just curious of your thoughts ad opinions.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't care.

However, I seriously question the wisdom of legalizing another mind-altering substance when humans can't responsibly use the ones that are already legal.
 

Pozessed

Todd
I don't care.

However, I seriously question the wisdom of legalizing another mind-altering substance when humans can't responsibly use the ones that are already legal.

Because MJ doesn't make people violent, and people who possess seemingly small amounts of MJ face up to life in prison.
Our justice systems that treats responsible MJ users as murderers is not justice.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
I think that it should be treated exactly like alcohol, with similar restrictions and punishments for those who screw up while using it.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
IMO, it would be more efficient to legalize, regulate, and tax the hell out of it -- and to punish those who use it in the same way one would with users of alcohol. This is from someone who holds no interest in it and has never used it.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe marijuana's legalization would save a lot more room in jail for more threatening people; drunk drivers, etc. It will create more jobs (sellers of it). It will save a lot less deaths and police chases. Majorly, make marijuana legal to purchase at 18.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Because MJ doesn't make people violent, and people who possess seemingly small amounts of MJ face up to life in prison.
Our justice systems that treats responsible MJ users as murderers is not justice.

I never said anything about weed making people violent, but okay.

As for how sentencing works in my country, I think it is ***** up in general and a far cry from any sort of justice. I don't care about the weed issue, so it's not a place I get all huffy about the sentencing for. Now, the pathetically small sentence a woman faced for killing a sacred tree that was thousands of years old and recognized as a historical monument? In my mind, she should get the death penalty. Instead, she'll get maybe five years.
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
I believe marijuana to be a harmless plant.
Mostly harmless.

It does make you high, but not incompetent.

Depends on:

1. Mentality of the person using it
2. Type of cannabis - some types are heavily narcotic. A powerful indica will put most people out of commission for hours. Day-wrecker.
Marijuanas legal status is based on racial slander as opposed to scientific fact.

More or less true; what are the motives behind the racial slander used as one of the primary incentives to criminalization?
There are no deaths related to marijuana overdose.

Correct.
Marijuana is no more of a gateway drug than cigarettes and beer if they were put on the black market.

Less so, as it's not addictive.


But is decriminalization a political possibility? Probably not. Even though the states could tax and regulate it. Legalization/decriminalziation will destroy the blackmarket and cut organized crime and terrorist organizations off from a key source of funding, and also give the states enough tax revenue to stop closing hospitals, schools and libraries.

Legalization makes incredible sense. But does it make political sense?

I don't think so.

And that's sad.
 
Mostly harmless. If beer and cigarettes are legal, I think marijuana should be too.

Unfortunately, unlike beer or cigarettes, it does have a lot of medical uses so I can forsee big pharma exploiting this (i.e. keeping it a controlled substance) so the can make a lot of money.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Mostly harmless.



Depends on:

1. Mentality of the person using it
2. Type of cannabis - some types are heavily narcotic. A powerful indica will put most people out of commission for hours. Day-wrecker.


More or less true; what are the motives behind the racial slander used as one of the primary incentives to criminalization?


Correct.


Less so, as it's not addictive.


But is decriminalization a political possibility? Probably not. Even though the states could tax and regulate it. Legalization/decriminalziation will destroy the blackmarket and cut organized crime and terrorist organizations off from a key source of funding, and also give the states enough tax revenue to stop closing hospitals, schools and libraries.

Legalization makes incredible sense. But does it make political sense?

I don't think so.

And that's sad.

This. All of it. Well said, Shudd. :yes:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
When are the people and their lawyers going to take on Big Alcohol the way it took on Big Tobacco, and now seem to be taking on Big Junk Food. Is the alcohol lobby that strong that they have been able to opt out of the intense scrutiny other bad-for-health substances have had to undergo? Here in Canada there is no more tobacco advertising, yet Jack Daniels gets a go ahead. I don't get it.

The secret for all of it lies in prevention, and providing healthier recreation alternatives as a society. None of its good for you, but why do we have to figure all that out on our own, often by some very trying, and harmful experiences?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Now, the pathetically small sentence a woman faced for killing a sacred tree that was thousands of years old and recognized as a historical monument? In my mind, she should get the death penalty. Instead, she'll get maybe five years.

... :sarcastic
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I don't know what 'political sense' is.

Marijuana is legal de facto. Millions of people use it consistently and openly, in public, with law enforcement who basically do not respond to is. The fact that it is illegal just speaks of the complete detachment from political life to citizenship, which is really more emphasized by other points. More states are constantly putting it up on the ballot, more cities are legalizing recreational use, and it's obviously only a matter of time until it is legal. It is probably being saved as a wedge issue to use political gain with swing voters when the time is right whenever either one of the parties are particularly failing and feel like enough stoners will make it out to vote for them. The reason it isn't legal is because a.) special interest groups prefer to keep it illegal, b.) political life does not reflect the opinions of the people in the country and c.) everyone is generally too desensitized to political issues and completely careless about making their opinions heard on various issues, even though marijuana is the most clear issue out there and tons of people are not subject to various tedium regarding its legislative qualities.

To take it a step further, there shouldn't be "smoke and drive" laws because there is no evidence to suggest that smoking marijuana impairs people from operating motor vehicles.
 

apophenia

Well-Known Member
First off - I think marijuana should be legal. Now for the details -

Pozessed :
I believe marijuana to be a harmless plant.
Shuddhasattva :
Mostly harmless.
No form of smoking is harmless, lungs are not oil filters, and if it is mixed with tobacco it is probably more harmful than either alone, because it is deeply inhaled and held, which tobacco is not.

It is much healthier, more enjoyable and far more economical to cook and eat it.

It is psychologically harmful in some ways - when people use it from a young age, it becomes habitual to use it whenever there is stress, anger etc, and as a result a lot of people's psychological development is badly affected, because instead of learning to deal with these feelings, they get stoned.

]Pozessed :
It does make you high, but not incompetent.
It does demotivate most people; I have seen some very dangerous driving by people who were very stoned; it has powerful negative effects on memory function, because it inhibits vasopressin.
On the other hand, many people perform some complex tasks as well or better on marijuana - though others do not. For example, some musicians play very well when stoned - but most don't, unless the musical form is very simple, like reggae or basic blues ( they may enjoy it more though).

Studying on marijuana is near impossible for many people. That said - people affected by marijuana are not belligerent and generally stupid like those on alcohol, and do not become anti-socially psychotic like speed and crack users. Marijuana users generally have fun, are amiable and peaceful, and often enjoy moments of meditative introspection and insight.

Shuddhasattva :
Depends on:

1. Mentality of the person using it
2. Type of cannabis - some types are heavily narcotic. A powerful indica will put most people out of commission for hours. Day-wrecker.
True. Some of the JWH synthetics would be much better for people who want to get very high for a very short period - but they are dangerously more-ish, and, I suspect, quite liver toxic.

Marijuanas legal status is based on racial slander as opposed to scientific fact.
More or less true; what are the motives behind the racial slander used as one of the primary incentives to criminalization?
The original race issue was that marijuana was mostly used by blacks and Hispanics.

I believe that was a smokescreen for the real issue - DuPont had two major inventions set to give them huge profits, both of which were threatened by marijuana
1. Dupont had developed chemicals to make paper from wood pulp. Marijuana is a far more efficient and environmentally friendly way to make paper.( I think the figure is 5 times more paper per year per acre, and considerably cheaper).
2. Dupont invented nylon about the same time as a machine was invented which could make cloth as fine as silk from hemp fibre. That machine was ignored by the world, as nylon became the new 'wonder textile',

Think about the value of the paper and nylon industries - it is no wonder there was a lot of money available for anti-marijuana lobbying.

There are no deaths related to marijuana overdose.
However, marijuana is implicated in a lot of road accidents, many of which are lethal.
So I think a way of determining accurately how affected a person is, and setting a legal limit for drivers, would be a good idea. Current saliva tests are hopelessly inaccurate, and cannot be used that way.

Marijuana is no more of a gateway drug than cigarettes and beer if they were put on the black market.
Less so, as it's not addictive.
I don't agree that it is not addictive. I always heard that, but my observation is that chronic users have moderate to severe withdrawal effects, including severe mood swings, and various physiological effects like nausea, headaches and insomnia.
Having said that - the effects of withdrawal are about the same intensity as caffeine withdrawal - not in the same league as say heroin or methamphetamine, and it takes a lot of regular use for that to become an issue anyway.


But is decriminalization a political possibility? Probably not. Even though the states could tax and regulate it. Legalization/decriminalziation will destroy the blackmarket and cut organized crime and terrorist organizations off from a key source of funding, and also give the states enough tax revenue to stop closing hospitals, schools and libraries.
Legalization makes incredible sense. But does it make political sense?

I don't think so.

And that's sad.
It is already more or less legal as medical marijuana in many US states.

I think ( and hope ) it will be further legalised. Clearly, the 'war on drugs' has been an overwhelming failure, and led to the invention and distribution of many new and more dangerous drugs. This will continue ( there are gazillions of options still to explore) unless a law is passed making any substance which people enjoy illegal !

The people of the western world have made it abundantly clear that they will not respect drug laws, and they want substances which are a form of enjoyment and relaxation. Marijuana not only fills that need very safely and enjoyably, but the plant is also extraordinarily useful for making textiles, medicines and food ( marijuana seed is one of the most nutritious foods on earth, probably only stinging nettle seed is more nutritionally valuable).
 

Rakhel

Well-Known Member
I like it for it's medicinal purposes.
1 It has been know to ease severe pain when no other legal drug could
2 It increases the apatite of someone who has lost it.

As for it's addictive properties. It can be highly addictive. It all depends on the user.
My aunt has been a MJ user since she was a teenager. She has not been able to let it go.

My mother, who used it a little bit in her younger years, was able to say she didn't want it anymore. She did use it for medicinal purposes toward the end of her life. I had never heard her so happy as when she called me and was crying that she had actually eaten that day.

Is it a gateway drug? It made it easier for my aunt to try the harder stuff if it was around. Did she automatically go from MJ to cocaine to the others? No. She typically stayed away from the harder(Her words) stuff.
 

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
It's not healthy, but it should be legal for people 20+. We have good system in Sweden for alcohol where you can only buy it from special stores run by the state (systembolaget), and the same system could work for marijuana.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Why can you purchase Tobacco at 18 yet you believe that you can't purchase marijuana until 21.

Probably because tobacco doesn't impair as much, but yeah I forgot. That should be lumped in to...and probably military service as well. If you're gonna go kill people for your country, might as well be "fully loaded".
 
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