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What is your thought on this? (AI scamming)

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I think that like any powerful tool, AI will be immensely useful in the right hands and immensely dangerous in the wrong ones. This has been the story of many major inventions and discoveries in human history, from the discovery of fire and the creation of dynamite to the discovery of nuclear fission and the invention of electronics. Even writing can be misused and employed for sinister purposes.

In my opinion, there should be regulation to minimize any abuse of AI the same way there is regulation of other useful but potentially harmful tools, such as cars, surveillance cameras, and knives.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Demonstration of how easy it is to be scammed by an AI, damn this world is going to get twisted in a few years :D

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7235782764333829422

One thing about technology is that it begets more technology. Now that this is a thing and the risk of being scammed is becoming even greater, then there might be similar technology used to defend against this sort of thing. Maybe some kind of AI detection device.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
The issue is going to appear in many areas, like this:


While some users creating AI images and even some legal analysts believe this content is potentially not illegal because no real children are harmed, some United States Justice Department officials told the Post that AI images sexualizing minors still violate federal child-protection laws. There seems to be no precedent, however, as officials could not cite a single prior case resulting in federal charges, the Post reported.

Well, outside of the USA, like in the UK for example and no doubt many other places, all sexualised imagery of children is deemed as being illegal, apart from that which passes as art perhaps - but even then, one will be on very slippery ground.

As authorities become more aware of the growing problem, the public is being warned to change online behaviors to prevent victimization. Earlier this month, the FBI issued an alert, "warning the public of malicious actors creating synthetic content (commonly referred to as 'deepfakes') by manipulating benign photographs or videos to target victims," including reports of "minor children and non-consenting adults, whose photos or videos were altered into explicit content."

As per - any images of oneself that are on the internet might be used for nefarious purposes - and especially so if one is at all attractive. :eek:
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I think that like any powerful tool, AI will be immensely useful in the right hands and immensely dangerous in the wrong ones. This has been the story of many major inventions and discoveries in human history, from the discovery of fire and the creation of dynamite to the discovery of nuclear fission and the invention of electronics. Even writing can be misused and employed for sinister purposes.

In my opinion, there should be regulation to minimize any abuse of AI the same way there is regulation of other useful but potentially harmful tools, such as cars, surveillance cameras, and knives.
I saw another video with some of the few people that are concerned and are working in this field. And it is completely out of control, those people working on these AI have no clue what they can do or can't. It's like the wild west and the goldrush because no one can afford to lose this race.

If you want to hear about it, you can watch this one, just start 30 minutes in:

He also tests one of the AI that is used on one of these social media things, I believe it is Snapchat, which apparently has a lot of young users. So he pretends to be a 13-year-old, that have gotten in contact with someone 18 years older than him and about how he has been invited to go on a trip with this guy and the AI just keeps saying how wonderful that is and just touches on him having to be careful. He then starts to talk about how this old man has talked about it being romantic and about sex. And the AI suggests that he should use protection and that he can use candles etc. to make it a good experience.

Im pretty sure that Snapchat doesn't intend for their AI to behave like that, but given how little control and knowledge there is about them, it is completely crazy how this is going to change things. Especially when people start to be able to really misuse this technology.

How the hell are anyone going to "really" trust each other when you can't even trust those people that call you, there is no way you will be able to tell the difference. And all experiences we have is that those people that scam are pretty damn good at it, and now it will be even easier and the police do have even remotely enough resources to investigate these cases once they start piling up, it is going to be a wild west out there :D
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
One thing about technology is that it begets more technology. Now that this is a thing and the risk of being scammed is becoming even greater, then there might be similar technology used to defend against this sort of thing. Maybe some kind of AI detection device.
The problem as I just wrote above. Is that AI and its potential are like placing a chest full of gold in the middle of the street and then expecting no one to go for it, which means that all the companies are going nuts making the best AI, without having any clue what they can or can't do.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
The issue is going to appear in many areas, like this:




Well, outside of the USA, like in the UK for example and no doubt many other places, all sexualised imagery of children is deemed as being illegal, apart from that which passes as art perhaps - but even then, one will be on very slippery ground.



As per - any images of oneself that are on the internet might be used for nefarious purposes - and especially so if one is at all attractive. :eek:
I think it will end up with people simply not caring because you can't stop it. My brother has turned my dad into looking like a biker in less than 3 minutes. So replacing a face on an image is extremely easy now, in fact you don't have to replace anything if you don't want, you can create them from scratch.

I use Prompthunt which is a similar program for generating AI graphics and I just type in this:

"Taylor Swift relaxing in a simple white dress" or if it should be red instead.
Testing.jpeg
Testing_2.jpeg

I put no effort into this, it took me longer to write this post than getting it to generate those two images.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
It's almost as if technology isn't actually all that great, on balance, and doesn't have to be used and shouldn't be a replacement for... I dunno... regular and more meaningful ways of experiencing life and living.

Doesn't matter though, I suppose. It's a wobbly stack of cards that'll collapse a few centuries out, tops. Non-issue in the grand scheme of things.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Its amazing now what ai can generate. ..

Like historical and artistic figures brought to life.


 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Its amazing now what ai can generate. ..

Like historical and artistic figures brought to life.


Yeah there are some cool and useful things about it for sure, but there is also huge potential for scamming, misuse and misinformation.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
It's almost as if technology isn't actually all that great, on balance, and doesn't have to be used and shouldn't be a replacement for... I dunno... regular and more meaningful ways of experiencing life and living.

Doesn't matter though, I suppose. It's a wobbly stack of cards that'll collapse a few centuries out, tops. Non-issue in the grand scheme of things.
I honestly don't know, I think there is such little information or even understanding of what these AI can do, especially if they get into the hands of people that want to cause harm. Let's say countries start to use them on each other and it gets out of control. How fast could a society collapse? I don't think anyone has any clue. And seemingly they are going crazy developing and integrating them into everything without really knowing what they can do and given that it is so new, I don't think there is a lot, if any actual laws about it, so the companies have more or less full control of how to implement these and they have dollar signs in their eyes.

It's like a bad science fiction movie :D
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yeah there are some cool and useful things about it for sure, but there is also huge potential for scamming, misuse and misinformation.
I think the real danger will be when it is released completely on its own with no human controller. A completely autonomous platform.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I think the real danger will be when it is released completely on its own with no human controller. A completely autonomous platform.
It's not an impossible scenario that someone somewhere makes an AI without any restrictions and just let it go nuts on the internet, I'm not really sure how we could prevent that.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Demonstration of how easy it is to be scammed by an AI, damn this world is going to get twisted in a few years :D
I give 90% odds that within 50 years most people, outside of a few places, will be banned from technical knowledge; and there will be political pressure on those places.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I give 90% odds that within 50 years most people, outside of a few places, will be banned from technical knowledge; and there will be political pressure on those places.
I do think in addition there is an ongoing trend towards a dystopian society where elites have all the AI and will use it to control and milk people like cattle while expressing views it's a perfect, prosperous, and happy civilization.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I do think in addition there is an ongoing trend towards a dystopian society where elites have all the AI and will use it to control and milk people like cattle while expressing views it's a perfect, prosperous, and happy civilization.
Its happened before, not with AI but with education and technology.
 
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