what makes a scripture true ?

[heretic]

how do you accept/deny a scripture ?, I'm talking about
books claimed to be inspired or written by God.

I saw many threads in the forum debating on the truth
of a scripture, everyone believe that the scripture he/she

believe in is from God or by people inspired by God.

we all agree on that the holy book or text is the heart of
any religion. without a holy text , the religion will sure die.

but how can we trust a scripture , how can we say that the
old testament, the new testament ,or the Koran to be the

word of God?

what is the criteria through which I accept/ deny a scripture?

let's start with me, my draft set of constraints to accept a
scripture as the word of God:

1- didn't , doesn't and will not conflict with any scientific
or historical fact
2- doesn't contain any scientific , historical inconsistencies
3- set a group of morals which keep human safe , and satisfied as
a person and society
4- contains a set of evidences of it's divine source
5- doesn't conflict with human nature , human physical ,
Emotional , and mental desires besides the spiritual ones ,
but tolerate them

what do you think?

 

[Pleroma]

let's start with me, my draft set of constraints to accept a
scripture as the word of God:

1- didn't , doesn't and will not conflict with any scientific
or historical fact
2- doesn't contain any scientific , historical inconsistencies

what do you think?

Why do you expect a religion to be consistent with what science says.?

Religion has nothing to do with science and has more to do with the numinous world. A scripture should talk about the numinous world of God and reveal its true nature of divine reality and not talk about the empirical world of science.

 

[heretic]

Why do you expect a religion to be consistent with what science says.?

Religion has nothing to do with science and has more to do with the numinous world. A scripture should talk about the numinous world of God and reveal its true nature of divine reality and not talk about the empirical world of science.

Sure a scripture should talk about numinous world , metaphysics , angels , demons and God , after life...

but how can I believe what is said about This all , there must be physical evidences that makes this scripture trusty to me .

so what I suggest is that a scripture should not be a book of sciences , but should include scientific facts which don't contradict with human discoveries and conclusions, this makes it easier and logical for people to believe

I think this is a powerful assessment point , because the source of the world is God and the source of a scripture is God , so no contradictions are allowed between nature physically and textually

 

[chinu]

What makes a scripture true?

Experiment.

What is the criteria through which I accept/ deny a scripture?

Result after an experiment is criteria through which one accept / deny a scripture, there is no other solution.

But as per that i have realized till now, i say there is no need of any scripture, Just think.. what would have that people done when there were no scriptures on this earth ? Or what would have those people done who doesn't even know how to read and understand them due to difference of language ? Or what uneducated people will do ? But..

Yes.. scriptures can encourage us somewhat by telling, What happend with the people of that time who were in the search of god, Or what kind of difficulties they have passed through, Or what are the signs of progress on spiritual path. etc..

Scriptures can encourage us, Or they can give us method, but they can never give us God.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Scripture seeks to inspire a covenant with godliness. THe Exodus is 'true' irrespective of its historicity.

 

[Pleroma]

Sure a scripture should talk about numinous world , metaphysics , angels , demons and God , after life...

but how can I believe what is said about This all , there must be physical evidences that makes this scripture trusty to me .

I don't take anything for granted or accept anything unless I have revelations about it. It is our experiences and revelations which gives us strong beliefs and not just the scripture. Anyone who just relies on the scripture is taking a blind path. He is neither a true philosopher nor a true religious scholar.

so what I suggest is that a scripture should not be a book of sciences , but should include scientific facts which don't contradict with human discoveries and conclusions, this makes it easier and logical for people to believe

Even in this 21st century if God wants to reveal himself through a scripture through the means of a religious prophet I don't think he is going to talk about molecular biology or particle physics. He is going to talk about his numinous world because according to religion our empirical world of science is only a state of mind, it doesn't exist physically out there.

I think this is a powerful assessment point , because the source of the world is God and the source of a scripture is God , so no contradictions are allowed between nature physically and textually

If the nature physically exists out there then religion can't be right, If scientific objects really exist independent of the minds I will give up religion and start embracing strong Atheism and pronounce myself as a strong Atheist.

 

[heretic]

Experiment.

Result after an experiment is criteria through which one accept / deny a scripture, there is no other solution.

what kind of experiment , can you explain ?

 

[heretic]

Scripture seeks to inspire a covenant with godliness. THe Exodus is 'true' irrespective of its historicity.

you mean you believe the Exodus even if there isn't a true historical or physical evidence . OK , but how do you know what is said in it is not false ?

 

[Pleroma]

what kind of experiment , can you explain ?

Any experiment in religion requires a prior weak belief in that scripture and its God and therefore one has to necessarily worship the God to get evidence about that God.

There are various methods in Yoga philosophical systems which directly came from the Hiranyagrabha himself and can get experiential knowledge about the God by practising Yoga, however this is only concerned with the Aryan religion and I'm not sure of well organised methods to testify the scriptures of other religions.

 

[camanintx]

what is the criteria through which I accept/ deny a scripture?


let's start with me, my draft set of constraints to accept a
scripture as the word of God:


1- didn't , doesn't and will not conflict with any scientific
or historical fact
2- doesn't contain any scientific , historical inconsistencies
3- set a group of morals which keep human safe , and satisfied as
a person and society
4- contains a set of evidences of it's divine source
5- doesn't conflict with human nature , human physical ,
Emotional , and mental desires besides the spiritual ones ,
but tolerate them


what do you think?

How about one more.

6-doesn't conflict with itself.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

you mean you believe the Exodus even if there isn't a true historical or physical evidence . OK , but how do you know what is said in it is not false ?

No, I mean that, like millions around me and generations before me, I am inspired by the transcendent and multivalent quality of the narrative.

I am fully aware of the "historical or physical evidence."

 

[chinu]

what kind of experiment , can you explain ?

Experiments which are written in them.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Experiments which are written in them.

 

[Nakosis]

what do you think?

Personal revelation.
Personal experience.

Tough to deny the reality that one experiences for themselves.
Problem is you get a lot of people who say a lot of things to convince themselves of having had religious/spiritual experiences.

Just as with everyday reality, people confuse actual perception with the image of reality they create in their head. So common experiences take on supernatural overtones. I suspect a lot of people don't even realize they are doing this. That is why you get a lot of un-credible personal testimony. A lot of different claims about God.

Still everyone has to deal with the reality that seems apparent to them. So personal experience/revelations which seem to support or provide understanding for various passages justify to the individual the source of those passages such that they begin to trust/have faith in that source.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Any experiment in religion requires a prior weak belief in that scripture and its God and therefore one has to necessarily worship the God to get evidence about that God.

That sentence makes zero sense.

 

[JohnLeo]

how do you accept/deny a scripture ?, I'm talking about
books claimed to be inspired or written by God.

I saw many threads in the forum debating on the truth
of a scripture, everyone believe that the scripture he/she

believe in is from God or by people inspired by God.

we all agree on that the holy book or text is the heart of
any religion. without a holy text , the religion will sure die.

but how can we trust a scripture , how can we say that the
old testament, the new testament ,or the Koran to be the

word of God?

what is the criteria through which I accept/ deny a scripture?

let's start with me, my draft set of constraints to accept a
scripture as the word of God:

1- didn't , doesn't and will not conflict with any scientific
or historical fact
2- doesn't contain any scientific , historical inconsistencies
3- set a group of morals which keep human safe , and satisfied as
a person and society
4- contains a set of evidences of it's divine source
5- doesn't conflict with human nature , human physical ,
Emotional , and mental desires besides the spiritual ones ,
but tolerate them

what do you think?

Well, the bible fails on at least four of your five constraints. Therefore, it's not too difficult to arrive at the correct conclusion that the bible is merely a vast compilation of ancient myths, legends and folklore. The idea that it is "God's word" is simply not supported by any evidence whatsoever. It does contain pearls of wisdom here and there and is worth studying but we must deny any sort of divine inspiration. We deists believe that the Creator only reveals Himself through His creation; the beauty and grandeur of the universe and natural world.

 

[Orias]

how do you accept/deny a scripture ?, I'm talking about
books claimed to be inspired or written by God.

I saw many threads in the forum debating on the truth
of a scripture, everyone believe that the scripture he/she

believe in is from God or by people inspired by God.

we all agree on that the holy book or text is the heart of
any religion. without a holy text , the religion will sure die.

but how can we trust a scripture , how can we say that the
old testament, the new testament ,or the Koran to be the

word of God?

what is the criteria through which I accept/ deny a scripture?

let's start with me, my draft set of constraints to accept a
scripture as the word of God:

1- didn't , doesn't and will not conflict with any scientific
or historical fact
2- doesn't contain any scientific , historical inconsistencies
3- set a group of morals which keep human safe , and satisfied as
a person and society
4- contains a set of evidences of it's divine source
5- doesn't conflict with human nature , human physical ,
Emotional , and mental desires besides the spiritual ones ,
but tolerate them

what do you think?

To answer your question, what makes it true is people's lack of understanding it, on all levels of philosophical and metaphorical thought. On that note, most only dwell in one dimension of existence.

 

[Skwim]

how do you accept/deny a scripture ?, I'm talking about
books claimed to be inspired or written by God.

I saw many threads in the forum debating on the truth
of a scripture, everyone believe that the scripture he/she

believe in is from God or by people inspired by God.

we all agree on that the holy book or text is the heart of
any religion. without a holy text , the religion will sure die.

but how can we trust a scripture , how can we say that the
old testament, the new testament ,or the Koran to be the

word of God?

what is the criteria through which I accept/ deny a scripture?

let's start with me, my draft set of constraints to accept a
scripture as the word of God:

1- didn't , doesn't and will not conflict with any scientific
or historical fact
2- doesn't contain any scientific , historical inconsistencies
3- set a group of morals which keep human safe , and satisfied as
a person and society
4- contains a set of evidences of it's divine source
5- doesn't conflict with human nature , human physical ,
Emotional , and mental desires besides the spiritual ones ,
but tolerate them

what do you think?

Your font is too difficult to read. Pick another, like the default font, and you'll probably get more responses. Your choice, of course.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

We deists believe that the Creator only reveals Himself through His creation; the beauty and grandeur of the universe and natural world.

Oh ... and I thought it was revealed through

really large type.​

 

[Skwim]

That