What of God is manifest in us?

[dybmh]

I'll stick with the ancient understanding. Love is not a respecter of one person's truth vs another.

The ancient understanding is not understanding all. It's knowledge. Not understanding. It comes from the evil branch of the Tree of Knowledge.

The quote about "Love is not a respecter...". That's from Acts 34?

"a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him”

Note that this verse is talking about "a truth" lower case "t", not "The Truth" capital 'T'.

Also note that Love does not exist in this verse, although the path of fear and righteousness are "accepted by Him".

Therefore your claims about Love cannot be supported by Tanach or The Bible. In order to make your case you need to cherry pick passages and then change them.

 

[dybmh]

How do you reach the conclusion based on Genesis 1:27 that females or feminine symbolize "Nothing"?

First, I am not a Rabbi, I'm not qualified to teach or explain. That said, I'll do my best to answer the question.

In general, in procreation the feminine aspect completely overwhelms and encloses on the masculine aspect.

Imagining this geometrically, the feminine aspect is like an empty funnel, the masculine aspect is the inverse of this, a solid cone.

Zooming out, imagining these two geometric shapes engaging with each other, what does it look like? The masculine is full, the feminine is empty.

That's basically how I reach the conclusion.

Further in Chabad Chassidus ( the version of Judaism I practice ) nothingness is higher and more prized than any/every "thing". So please do not read "feminine symbolizes nothing" as pejorative... Instead in my mind when I consider feminine, she is powerful like Kali the destroyer. Her nothingness, her ability to completely overwhelm the masculine 'everything' makes her more powerful not less.

 

[Nimos]

First, I am not a Rabbi, I'm not qualified to teach or explain. That said, I'll do my best to answer the question.

In general, in procreation the feminine aspect completely overwhelms and encloses on the masculine aspect.

Imagining this geometrically, the feminine aspect is like an empty funnel, the masculine aspect is the inverse of this, a solid cone.

Zooming out, imagining these two geometric shapes engaging with each other, what does it look like? The masculine is full, the feminine is empty.

That's basically how I reach the conclusion.

Further in Chabad Chassidus ( the version of Judaism I practice ) nothingness is higher and more prized than any/every "thing". So please do not read "feminine symbolizes nothing" as pejorative... Instead in my mind when I consider feminine, she is powerful like Kali the destroyer. Her nothingness, her ability to completely overwhelm the masculine 'everything' makes her more powerful not less.

I see.

However Im still not sure how you get to that conclusion from the verse:

Genesis 1:27
27 - So God created mankind in his own image; in his own image God created them; he created them male and female.

It doesn't say anything about nothingness or it being associated with femininity or it symbolizing anything for that matter, as the word is never used. That is why I was wondering how you reached that conclusion based on this verse.

 

[1213]

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How believers and disbelievers understand Romans 1:19?

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For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.
Romans 1:20

I think the meaning is, all that God created tells about what kind of God He is.

 

[atanu]

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What do you think of the aware existence itself -- such as the "I am" awareness?

 

[Fool]

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What do you think of the aware existence itself -- such as the "I am" awareness?

i've heard it offered as the Infinite I with no direct object associated to it but all objects arising from it. an object can only manifest in contrast to something else; whether formed/formless.

 

[Nimos]

What do you think of the aware existence itself -- such as the "I am" awareness?

Not sure I fully understand the question

Can you try to elaborate on it a bit?

 

[1213]

...What do you think of the aware existence itself -- such as the "I am" awareness?

I am not sure what would that even mean. But, people exist and are aware, so, in a way some kind of aware existence is real.

 

[dybmh]

@Nimos , @Fool , @dybmh , @EsonauticSage , @1213 and others

What do you think of the aware existence itself -- such as the "I am" awareness?

It's not something I spend a lot of time contemplating. Essentially "I am" a finite created being. It puts time in persepctive, it puts my own mistakes in persepctive as well as faults I perceive in others.

 

[chinu]

My query is what is manifest in us that is of God and that has been revealed to all, including the disbelievers?

It is “Love” towards something. It can be towards anything good or bad. But love is love.

“God is Love is God”

 

[atanu]

i've heard it offered as the Infinite I with no direct object associated to it but all objects arising from it. an object can only manifest in contrast to something else; whether formed/formless.

Not sure I fully understand the question

Can you try to elaborate on it a bit?

I am not sure what would that even mean. But, people exist and are aware, so, in a way some kind of aware existence is real.

It's not something I spend a lot of time contemplating. Essentially "I am" a finite created being. It puts time in persepctive, it puts my own mistakes in persepctive as well as faults I perceive in others.

It is “Love” towards something. It can be towards anything good or bad. But love is love.

“God is Love is God”

In my view.

Existence and its awareness go together and occur prior to the formation of ideas such as "I am this body" in waking or in the dream. In deep sleep, we exist and we carry the memory of peace. "I am" is non-verbal and pre-awareness to all our other particular awarenesses. I understand the formless "I am" awareness is the divine in us. I think that this is indicated in different religions in different ways.

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[chinu]

In my view.

Existence and its awareness go together and occur prior to the formation of ideas such as "I am this body" in waking or in the dream. I deep sleep, we exist and we carry the memory of peace. "I am" is non-verbal and pre-awareness to all our other particular awarenesses. I understand the formless "I am" awareness is the divine in us. I think that this is indicated in different religions in different ways.

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There's also something which is behind this "I am"
Behind "I am" is.. its very own nature, or say HABIT.

Just think, what HABIT this "I am" possess by default ?
Habit is.. to "Love", and to expect "Love" in return

 

[bharti]

There's also something which is behind this "I am"
Behind "I am" is.. its very own nature, or say HABIT.

Just think, what HABIT this "I am" possess by default ?
Habit is.. to "Love", and to expect "Love" in return

Existence-Consciousness is prior to space-time-objects. Is your 'love' prior to space-time-objects?

 

[PearlSeeker]

Romans 1:19

because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

I can show scripture from different religions that say essentially the same. My query is what is manifest in us that is of God and that has been revealed to all, including the disbelievers?

How believers and disbelievers understand Romans 1:19?

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Romans 1:19

Paul writes that all gentiles (who are without any God's special revelation) are bound to have faith and righteousness because Creator is reflected in his creation (not just in us).

Romans 1:20

God's invisible attributes are specified as "his eternal power and Divinity."

 

[chinu]

Existence-Consciousness is prior to space-time-objects. Is your 'love' prior to space-time-objects?

Yes "Love" is beyond space-time-object.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Romans 1:19

because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

I can show scripture from different religions that say essentially the same. My query is what is manifest in us that is of God and that has been revealed to all, including the disbelievers?

How believers and disbelievers understand Romans 1:19?

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Dear atanu,

There are many ways to put it, but they all attempt to say the same thing. For example (words within quotations could create serious issues for me but are merely in lack of more accurate ones):

• A “need” to understand what is encountered
• The “inability” to experience without interpreting
• Pattern seeking

In Man, such processes occur in the brain ...as does consciousness (or self-consciousness, definitely!), but God is not materialised and so, has no brain...?

 

[tayla]

How believers and disbelievers understand Romans 1:19?

As a disbeliever in God, I don't understand anything about Romans 1:19.