What Race are You?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As for hispanic, I'm not sure, I gathered these from a site.

Which site?

 

[Me Myself]

Also, questions should be attacked if they have the ability to spread intolerance, or ignorance. The question asked has the ability to do such, as it uses derogatory labels for human beings, and it tries to separate people into classifications that don't even exist.

Not on this forum.

I do not agree they are inherently pejorative, and given that this is gray in nature it would need a debate.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Is that a "yes"?

It's not meaningless but it is like a "kind"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's not meaningless but it is like a "kind"

If it's not meaningless, then why haven't you been able to give a meaning for the term "race" yet?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

If it's not meaningless, then why haven't you been able to give a meaning for the term "race" yet?

Because it's not genetically real, people measure it though.

For example: Anyone would agree that Will Smith is "black" and that William Shatner is "white" and Jackie Chan is mongolian.

 

[McBell]

It's not meaningless but it is like a "kind"

So what is the "meaning"?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Because it's not genetically real, people measure it though.

For example: Anyone would agree that Will Smith is "black" and that William Shatner is "white" and Jackie Chan is mongolian.

Will Smith is African-American and most likely has some European genes mixed in.
William Shatner is a European Jew and not considered "white" by those who consider the term white to be important.
Jackie Chan is Chinese not Mongolian although I believe you were trying to say Mongoloid. Big difference between the two you know.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because it's not genetically real, people measure it though.

For example: Anyone would agree that Will Smith is "black" and that William Shatner is "white" and Jackie Chan is mongolian.

Wait one minute: who says "black", "white" and "mongolian" are races?

I mean, a Somali person will normally look very different from a Zulu. Why should we consider them the same race?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

So what is the "meaning"?

Does there have to be one?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Does there have to be one?

If you want your poll question to be meaningful, then yes, you do.

If "race" doesn't mean anything, then the answer "two orange antelopes and the number pi swimming" works just as well as the answer "caucasian".

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

BTW - you skipped a question. It's short and straightforward, so it shouldn't take you much time at all to answer:

Which site?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Wait one minute: who says "black", "white" and "mongolian" are races?

He meant Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid which are the old school race classifications.

I mean, a Somali person will normally look very different from a Zulu. Why should we consider them the same race?

Not to mention the folks from India who are considered Caucasoid but have dark skin tones.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He meant Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid which are the old school race classifications.

If we're talking about real old-school, then "caucasoid" would have been the label for a category of races, not for a single race itself.

Like I mentioned earlier, back in the day, Irish people and English people were considered different "races".

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

If we're talking about real old-school, then "caucasoid" would have been the label for a category of races, not for a single race itself.

Like I mentioned earlier, back in the day, Irish people and English people were considered different "races".

Yep. And that's the point I think everyone has been trying to make, some have just been a little more aggressive than other.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

As for hispanic, I'm not sure,

That is because Hispanics are either Caucasoid (Spanish blood) or Mongoloid (Native American blood) or a mixture of the two. This is one of the reasons the three race classification isn't a good way to discuss peoples heritage.

 

[McBell]

Does there have to be one?

YOU are the one who claimed it was NOT meaningless.
In order to be NOT meaningless, it has to have a meaning.

So what is that meaning?
No meaning = meaningless.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

YOU are the one who claimed it was NOT meaningless.
In order to be NOT meaningless, it has to have a meaning.

So what is that meaning?
No meaning = meaningless.

Every label is meaningless.

 

[beenie]

Well, whatever you believe you identify with.

If your genetics aren't the same as what race's blood you have in you, then go by what blood you have.

A positive

Hehe

 

[Quagmire]

Human.

It isn't something I'm proud of.

 

[fallingblood]

While the labels Sum used can be taken as racists and will offend some people they aren't in of themselves racists, nor do I believe it was Sum's intent to be racists or offensive. These are merely archaic terms that were once used to define human beings into three races. Just because they have been recently proven to be incorrect labels doesn't mean they weren't once accepted as scientific fact. It may be appropriate to alert Sum to the fact that he is using old terminology that is no longer acceptable, there is no need to be mean about it.

I agree that Sum's intention probably wasn't to be offensive or racist; however, his choice is labels was a bad choice. His refusal to actually deal with the issues that have appeared in this thread, I think is even a worst choice.

To me, it seems that Sum is purposely remaining ignorant on this subject though. And at the same time, supporting the misused terms, which have now taken upon racist or derogatory definitions. The same is happening in South Africa, and all it does is continue the vicious cycle of racism.