What Right Has God To Judge Us?

[YmirGF]

Does anyone else notice anything amiss?

I wonder how anyone arrived at knowing the exalted part if God is unknowable. If god is truly unknowable, then how exactly, can anyone say a single word about IT.

I prefer to say that "god" is eminently knowable, but the individual may find that knowledge extremely difficult to render into mere words. It's a cosmic Catch-22. It sort of renders “kiss and tell” down to the realm of impossibility.

 

[Ringer]

When the documents that make up the Bible were written the authors had their own agenda. They wanted their God to be bigger and more powerful than the gods of other tribes, therefore it was natural they should create a persona for him which reflected that, hence all the zapping of the enemies of the Jews, who saw themselves as God's chosen people.

Sorry, I don't think that's the case. However, for those who have no desire to believe in the bible or at least research the claims, it is a common argument. I suppose there is no way I could be 100% sure the apostles/prophets/writers didn't have their own agenda, I stick with the notion that their words did not reflect their agendas but God's.


John 14:24-27
24He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. 25"All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

John 16:12-15
12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

Hebrews 1:1-2
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

 

[w00t]

I have read the Bible (NIV) through twice, and read it daily and this is the opinion I have formed about that book!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

No I don't either, but many fundamentalist Christians seem to think God inspired every word of it. They make so many excuses for God's apparent despicable behaviour!

Just because some stone and Iron age writers wrote so much of the Bible does not mean I have to believe it... just because it is old or because a group of bible only Christians say every word is inspired by God does not make it all true.

You can live the life of a Christian with out believing a word of the old testament.
However if you were not to read it at all you would be throwing the bay out with the bath water...as it contains many truths and many fine writings.
The Old Testament Jewish view of God; Certainly does not equate with the Teachings of Jesus or the God of Love.
That they attributed their most diabolical victories and punishments to the will of God, demonstrates the view of a headstrong and violent people, not the will of God.

 

[Popeyesays]

Just because some stone and Iron age writers wrote so much of the Bible does not mean I have to believe it... just because it is old or because a group of bible only Christians say every word is inspired by God does not make it all true.

You can live the life of a Christian with out believing a word of the old testament.
However if you were not to read it at all you would be throwing the baby out with the bath water...as it contains many truths and many fine writings.
The Old Testament Jewish view of God; Certainly does not equate with the Teachings of Jesus or the God of Love.
That they attributed their most diabolical victories and punishments to the will of God, demonstrates the view of a headstrong and violent people, not the will of God.

Such interpretation also implies that the only meaning to the Bible is literal and that is certainly not the intent of the authors since they were dealing in metaphor or symbolism to impart spiritual truth--which can only be considering using metaphor and symbol.

Regards,
Scott

 

[michel]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

The God of the bible has been represented by human frailty. We have no ideas about the accuracy and veracity, and the passing on of "God inspired texts"; besides, God sacrificed his son Christ so that our sins may be forgiven.

Maybe there was even a need for people to believe in a hard taskmaster at the time; who knows ?

 

[TashaN]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

What does moral mean to you? who defines morality? mere human beings who change their mind every century about what is right and what is wrong?

And as to the question in the OP, What right God has to judge us?

I say he has everything. If you could create yourself and decide when to be born, when to die, how and where "at least", then you can say he has no right over us. You have NOTHING, so you have NOTHING to complain about regardless of whether the bible is accurate or not, because that's a different story, because all what you know about God is JUST from a book "bible" which was written by mere human beings and put there their own interpretations side by side with the word of God. It would be different if you had the pure original word of God.

 

[Comprehend]

I think she's stated she only hates her grandmother's concept of god. Are you saying that's the same to her as the Christian deity? Just looking for clarification here.

It appears that she equates the two.

I have read the Bible (NIV) through twice, and read it daily and this is the opinion I have formed about that book!

 

[w00t]

The God of the Bible doesn't come over as the good guy!

 

[ChristineES]

It is only partially right God only judges those who judge. The way I read it is that God judges the way we judge others. God has every right to judge us, he created us.

 

[ChristineES]

The God of the Bible doesn't come over as the good guy!

I am sorry you think so. You appear to be very bitter towards God and any of his followers, judging from your posts on this and other threads (I have read them and tried to respond, but my posts were far from loving, so I deleted them, God wants me to be loving). If I am wrong about your bitterness, I apologize, but it does appear that way. :sorry1:

The rest of this is off topic:

I used to be angry, but once I started looking at the good in people instead of the bad, the world started to be a nicer place. I ignore bad traits in people, and I look at what is good about them instead. I started doing this a few years ago. It wasn't easy in the slightest, and it took a lot of work. I still struggle with this at times, but it gets easier all the time. I am supposed to love every human on earth.

 

[w00t]

I am sorry you think so. You appear to be very bitter towards God and any of his followers, judging from your posts on this and other threads (I have read them and tried to respond, but my posts were far from loving, so I deleted them, God wants me to be loving). If I am wrong about your bitterness, I apologize, but it does appear that way. :sorry1:

The rest of this is off topic:

I used to be angry, but once I started looking at the good in people instead of the bad, the world started to be a nicer place. I ignore bad traits in people, and I look at what is good about them instead. I started doing this a few years ago. It wasn't easy in the slightest, and it took a lot of work. I still struggle with this at times, but it gets easier all the time. I am supposed to love every human on earth.

I am not angry with God, why should I be? The Bible is only the human perception of God, it is likely the reality is entirely different. I do have a problem with some 'born again' Christians though, having been surrounded by them since birth!

 

[ChristineES]

I do have a problem with some 'born again' Christians though, having been surrounded by them since birth!

I don't have a problem with anyone I have never met. There is only so much you can learn about someone on a board such as this one. :sleep:One thing I have learned is that there is always more to a person that meets the eye.

 

[w00t]

I don't have a problem with anyone I have never met. There is only so much you can learn about someone on a board such as this one. :sleep:One thing I have learned is that there is always more to a person that meets the eye.

I agree to a certain extent, but when one hears the same damaging spiel I was forced to listen to as a child I am afraid I have to challenge it!

 

[michel]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

The God of the bible is said to have made man in his own image; you can hardly refute the fact that we have blood on our hands, and that we are quick off the mark to Judge.

God re-newed his covenant when he sent Christ to live a human life as Jesus.

The - I believe -errancy- of the old testament is something I admit I don't like the sound of; maybe God was being "tough" on his new children, so as to give them a decent start..........Maybe the old testament attributes bloodshed as God's simply because it was easier to blame God.....who knows how twisted and innacurate the writings are.

As far as the sacrifice of Jesus goes (as you point out as being something horrendous that God did to his son), we are all his children; we are all sacrificed to a life on Earth (if not more), so that we may be re-born into paradise at a later stage.

 

[w00t]

The God of the bible is said to have made man in his own image; you can hardly refute the fact that we have blood on our hands, and that we are quick off the mark to Judge.

God re-newed his covenant when he sent Christ to live a human life as Jesus.

The - I believe -errancy- of the old testament is something I admit I don't like the sound of; maybe God was being "tough" on his new children, so as to give them a decent start..........Maybe the old testament attributes bloodshed as God's simply because it was easier to blame God.....who knows how twisted and innacurate the writings are.

As far as the sacrifice of Jesus goes (as you point out as being something horrendous that God did to his son), we are all his children; we are all sacrificed to a life on Earth (if not more), so that we may be re-born into paradise at a later stage.

Hmmmmmm! Too bad if paradise isn't all it is cracked up to be!

 

[Ringer]

Hmmmmmm! Too bad if paradise isn't all it is cracked up to be!

I guess you can always take your chances with the alternative

 

[logician]

I've never though the God of the bible was very loving but most here do not take the bible at face vaule.

What do they take it as then, a book of myths and fables?(which I think it is).

 

[Kcnorwood]

I am not angry with God, why should I be? The Bible is only the human perception of God, it is likely the reality is entirely different.

I think this is a copout at some point people refuse to believe that the bible is God's word & so they make up something that sounds better to justify it. You don't want to believe that God is capable of doing such bad things. But then when God does something good then the bible should be taken at face value. Kind of a double standard isn't it?

 

[w00t]

I think this is a copout at some point people refuse to believe that the bible is God's word & so they make up something that sounds better to justify it. You don't want to believe that God is capable of doing such bad things. But then when God does something good then the bible should be taken at face value. Kind of a double standard isn't it?

It is a double standard if people believe God is touchy feely but not the bad things that are claimed for him!