What Should Be Done About Erotic Dance?

[Me Myself]

So would promoting male strip dancing help? Since somehow if both sexes do something it doesn't "objectify" one anymore.

first of all the term is idiocy.

Almost any 14 year old will have an erection if they see a naked sexy woman's photo.

That's not learned. That's natural sexual attraction happening from visual stimuli.

No one gets hurt with that.

In the slightest.

Either with male or female strippers.

 

[dgirl1986]

first of all the term is idiocy.

Almost any 14 year old will have an erection if they see a naked sexy woman's photo.

That's not learned. That's natural sexual attraction happening from visual stimuli.

No one gets hurt with that.

In the slightest.

Either with male or female strippers.

I dont think that the sexual excitement itself is the issue but more attitudes.

 

[Freelance_Policeman]

first of all the term is idiocy.

Almost any 14 year old will have an erection if they see a naked sexy woman's photo.

That's not learned. That's natural sexual attraction happening from visual stimuli.

No one gets hurt with that.

In the slightest.

Either with male or female strippers.

I think the discussion was about the "objectification" of women, not whether they fet physically hurt.

"Objectification." What's the difference between a person and an object anyway?

 

[dgirl1986]

I think the discussion was about the "objectification" of women, not whether they fet physically hurt.

"Objectification." What's the difference between a person and an object anyway?

To see someone as a person is to consider them as a human being and recognise their human traits. To see someone as an object is to see them as something to be used for personal gain, pleasure etc. IMO anyway.

 

[Me Myself]

I dont think that the sexual excitement itself is the issue but more attitudes.

You'll need to be more precise for me.

I go with a bunch of friends to a strip bar. We have fun seeing the ladies dance.

What is the problem?

(the situation is completely hypothetical btw, I havent ever been to a strip bar really, nor I get the attrction of feeling sexually aroused near male friends.)

 

[Me Myself]

I think the discussion was about the "objectification" of women, not whether they fet physically hurt.

I didnt say physical

"Objectification." What's the difference between a person and an object anyway?

None really, but it depends on the usage of the term. In one usage of the term there is a big difference, as an object does not have personality or preferences. I generally understand this to be the one being used, but it is obviously flawed.

Strippers try on purpose to look aroused by what they are doing, because they percieved satisfaction obviously matters.

Also, no one needs to ask permision to take an object unless the object has an owner. From this definition, my body is my object and people need my permission to use it.

As long as all is consensual, I say have fun.

 

[dgirl1986]

You'll need to be more precise for me.

I go with a bunch of friends to a strip bar. We have fun seeing the ladies dance.

What is the problem?

(the situation is completely hypothetical btw, I havent ever been to a strip bar really, nor I get the attrction of feeling sexually aroused near male friends.)

There is a difference between...
- Going to see an erotic dancer...and finding it erotic
- Seeing shows because you think women in general are sex objects for your pleasure.

 

[Me Myself]

There is a difference between...
- Going to see an erotic dancer...and finding it erotic
- Seeing shows because you think women in general are sex objects for your pleasure.

it depends on how you define a sex object.

I am a sex object. I love myself and I am much more than that, but I am a sexual object and I take great pleasure from being one.

Right now, strippers are the object of this conversation.


A I said, I need you to be specific to understand what exactly you dont like, beyond semantics.

 

[dgirl1986]

it depends on how you define a sex object.

I am a sex object. I love myself and I am much more than that, but I am a sexual object and I take great pleasure from being one.

Right now, strippers are the object of this conversation.


A I said, I need you to be specific to understand what exactly you dont like, beyond semantics.

Would you like people to treat you as a sex object? Rather than a person who is sexual?

I have already stated what I do not like. Attitudes towards women in jobs such as these. I doubt a stripper would recieve the same respect as say a CEO of a large corporation. Read my previous posts if you like, I am not going to constantly repeat myself.

 

[Me Myself]

Would you like people to treat you as a sex object?

Would you like people to treat you as a sex object? Rather than a person who is sexual?

I am both. You are displaying a false dichotomy. There are many definitions of object. I fall on some and dont fall on others. In any case, what I would say without doubt is that my body is an object, a sexual one at that.

I would be very troubled if no one saw me body as a sexual object, yes, absolutely.

Your false (and extremely weird) dichotomy is that you are either an object or a person. The weird part is that if I show a man a replica of a woman's body so perfect it looks real and he has an "equally" good looking woman at his right telling him she wants to do stuff to him, how many men do you think would choose the object instead of the actual person?

Real objects cant move creatively or be part of a conversation or of sexual communication (and sex is sexual communication/stimulation)

I can understand if you tell me that a guy who is more ttracted to women when they are unconscious is a guy who treats them as if they were nothing but objects. That's reasonable.

A guy who likes them dancing and making expressions of lust and interacting with him? obviously aint looking for an object. Similar non real stuff can be found on porn in the internet, but then the "object" would be the recording of the woman, not the woman so there would be no obejctification there either.

I have already stated what I do not like. Attitudes towards women in jobs such as these. I doubt a stripper would recieve the same respect as say a CEO of a large corporation. Read my previous posts if you like, I am not going to constantly repeat myself.

dont repeat yourself if you dont want to I 'll read at will.

A clown wouldnt get the same respect either, but I agree with you it is wrong, it just has nothing to do with the clown being an "enterteinment balloon making" object.

It has to do with people paying dfferent respects form people in different jobs. (which I wouldnt agree in the sense that everyone diserves equal respect)

 

[dgirl1986]

I am both. You are displaying a false dichotomy. There are many definitions of object. I fall on some and dont fall on others. In any case, what I would say without doubt is that my body is an object, a sexual one at that.

I would be very troubled if no one saw me body as a sexual object, yes, absolutely.

Your false (and extremely weird) dichotomy is that you are either an object or a person. The weird part is that if I show a man a replica of a woman's body so perfect it looks real and he has an "equally" good looking woman at his right telling him she wants to do stuff to him, how many men do you think would choose the object instead of the actual person?

Real objects cant move creatively or be part of a conversation or of sexual communication (and sex is sexual communication/stimulation)

I can understand if you tell me that a guy who is more ttracted to women when they are unconscious is a guy who treats them as if they were nothing but objects. That's reasonable.

A guy who likes them dancing and making expressions of lust and interacting with him? obviously aint looking for an object. Similar non real stuff can be found on porn in the internet, but then the "object" would be the recording of the woman, not the woman so there would be no obejctification there either.


dont repeat yourself if you dont want to I 'll read at will.

A clown wouldnt get the same respect either, but I agree with you it is wrong, it just has nothing to do with the clown being an "enterteinment balloon making" object.

It has to do with people paying dfferent respects form people in different jobs. (which I wouldnt agree in the sense that everyone diserves equal respect)

This is what I refer to, so that there is no misunderstanding - Sexual objectification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia especially the section that talks about sexual objectification about women.

From my point of view there is a difference between being an object (every physical thing is an object of some sort) and being treated as a sexual object.

As I said before, education of patrons is key.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Pay attention. For the purposes of this thread stripping affects the objectification of women.

Male strippers are strippers thus, they are abig problem causing objectification of women.

Just work on these premises

Where does the line get drawn though? That is a question some people have trouble with. Where exactly does appeal to our sexual nature end and objectifying begin? Or vice versa?

 

[Me Myself]

From my point of view there is a difference between being an object (every physical thing is an object of some sort) and being treated as a sexual object.

As I said before, education of patrons is key.

Being treated as a object means they can literally do whatever they want to you if they think you dont have an "owner".

In cases when this is what happens, I wouldnt call it "objectifiction" so much as SLAVERY, but sure, you can also call it objectification.

If they do are respecting the woman's established boundaries, then they are acknowledging her ownership of her own body or pesonhood, then thereis nothing morally wrong with it.

 

[Me Myself]

Where does the line get drawn though? That is a question some people have trouble with. Where exactly does appeal to our sexual nature end and objectifying begin? Or vice versa?

I wonder the same. I wager there is no line.

If you decide not to take into consideration someone's personhood that hasnothing to do with you feeling attracted to such person and everything to do with you not caring about that person's personhood.

But I agree with you, a sensible understanding of the premises would include a line.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

They exist. The straight divorced women pollute my fb newsfeed with them BLURGH.

Context is music videos

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

That has been done in every strip club in the USA. Hell I should know I live in Sin City.

How pro woman of you to attend these clubs

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

I would never actually want to ban erotic dance. I frequent strip clubs quite a bit. I was just saying if its going to be less fun to watch, then I would rather not watch it at all.

What do you mean it will be less fun to watch?

 

[ZooGirl02]

I would ban it.

 

[Sunstone]

Where does the line get drawn though? That is a question some people have trouble with. Where exactly does appeal to our sexual nature end and objectifying begin? Or vice versa?

How is it possible the definition of sexual objectification found in the OP of this thread does not answer the question? Just curious.

 

[Sunstone]

I would ban it.

Why would you ban it?