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What should Trump be impeached for?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
One could claim that his firing of Comey alone qualifies. The problem is that Republicans have to be convinced that it would be better for them to vote him out than to let his wrong doings slide. It takes a 2/3 super majority to convict him in the Senate after a simple majority vote to impeach in the House.
And we have had two presidents impeached. Or did you forget about Bill Clinton already. The first was Lincoln's replacement President Johnson (forgot his first name for the moment). Neither was found guilty in the Senate.
And we have had two presidents impeached. Or did you forget about Bill Clinton already. The first was Lincoln's replacement President Johnson (forgot his first name for the moment). Neither was found guilty in the Senate.
WalterTrull
Godfella
I like Lincoln's reasoning: "Every man over forty is responsible for his face". Impeach him for that!!
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were both impeached.
As for Trump, we'll have to see what the ongoing investigation finds. It may be he did nothing wrong, but rather those around him. Although if he is impeached, it may be for perjury and obstruction of justice (the same thing Clinton was impeached for).
As for Trump, we'll have to see what the ongoing investigation finds. It may be he did nothing wrong, but rather those around him. Although if he is impeached, it may be for perjury and obstruction of justice (the same thing Clinton was impeached for).
What should Trump be impeached for-----
[1] Trump revoked background checks for self-serving reasons
https://tinyurl.com/ycz7qp4j
[2] Trump abolishes automobiles more fuel efficient standards for self-serving reasons
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/02/world/asia/02reuters-usa-epa-autos.html
[3] Trump reinstates trophy hunting in Africa for self serving reasons
https://twitter.com/J_Rob66/status/759613555825975296/photo/1
[3] Trump calls for an end to the filibuster and DACA for self serving reasons
Trump tweets: 'NO MORE DACA DEAL' - CNNPolitics
[5] Trump is a patholical liar (mental illness making him unfit for Presidency
https://tinyurl.com/yawy45sj
[5] Trump destroys America's credibility all across Europe
Trump's disgraceful assault on the DOJ is an attack on the rule of law | Lawrence Douglas
[6] Trump colludes with Russia to win the election (a treasonist act)
see Mueller's investigation (story is still unfolding)
[7] _________________ You fill in the blank
[1] Trump revoked background checks for self-serving reasons
https://tinyurl.com/ycz7qp4j
[2] Trump abolishes automobiles more fuel efficient standards for self-serving reasons
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/04/02/world/asia/02reuters-usa-epa-autos.html
[3] Trump reinstates trophy hunting in Africa for self serving reasons
https://twitter.com/J_Rob66/status/759613555825975296/photo/1
[3] Trump calls for an end to the filibuster and DACA for self serving reasons
Trump tweets: 'NO MORE DACA DEAL' - CNNPolitics
[5] Trump is a patholical liar (mental illness making him unfit for Presidency
https://tinyurl.com/yawy45sj
[5] Trump destroys America's credibility all across Europe
Trump's disgraceful assault on the DOJ is an attack on the rule of law | Lawrence Douglas
[6] Trump colludes with Russia to win the election (a treasonist act)
see Mueller's investigation (story is still unfolding)
[7] _________________ You fill in the blank
The list keeps growing. Most recently, the candidate charges include bribery and influence peddling (watch this Chinese and Saudi / UAE thing evolve). Obstruction of justice, emoluments violations, failure to vigorously impose sanctions against Russia, money laundering, anything from espionage to crimes against the United Stares (election tampering including both negotiating with Assange and Wikileaks, and with the Russians), assaulting the press, abuse of pardon power, recklessly threatening nuclear war, directing or endeavoring to direct law enforcement (including the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation) to investigate and prosecute political adversaries, campaign finance violations, tax evasion, banking fraud, violating the Presidential Records Act (for having deleted a number of his Twitter post, which are public record and public property), and facilitating violence at his rallies.
Any or all of these might be provable and constitute an impeachable offense.
Phantasman
Well-Known Member
I'm still trying to figure that one out myself, buddy.
Firing Comey? That's what the Dems called for pre election and what Rosenstein wrote the President suggesting.
Russian Trump connection? If Russia helped Trump they sure got the short end of the stick. He's been pretty tough on Russia pulling ambassadors out and placing tough sanctions on them.
I think it's because they don't like him.
When I watched CNN a month ago, all I heard was Stormy Daniels. I got sick of most discussions around attacking personal Trump. I tuned to the daily press briefings from the White House and it sounded like a bunch of Teen 16 reporters. Each reporter gets a question or two and the MSM was concerned about a porn star more than asking government questions. The reporters that asked questions on foreign and domestic affairs of the government, I noted was Fox, the Hill, WSJ, etc.
I like CNN and CBS, NBC, etc. But their reporters need to get us food we can live with. What Trump does with Iran/NK, immigration, sanctuary cities, economy, taxes, crime is much more important to me than some hooker he banged over a decade ago.
I always heard the term "choose your battles". When you hate a president so much and can't put you finger on why, it's assured you're are not going to work with him even in what affects the country in a positive way.
It's the hatred that divides us, and Congress's examples of it's embrace is why they have a low approval rating and are dangerous to the Republic.
Good businessmen/women would be better to replace every attorney in the Congress. Business finds solutions, Attorneys just talk.
Actually those sanctions were passed by Congress and sent to trump to sign. He has so far refused to sine (sp) on the line
But to the question in the OP, the impeachment clause in the Constitution are vague "high crimes and misdemeanors" but have been defined since then
The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office.
I'd say at least "abuse of authority, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct and refusal to obey a lawful order" can be laid at his feet.
The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office.
I'd say at least "abuse of authority, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct and refusal to obey a lawful order" can be laid at his feet.
tytlyf
Not Religious
The dems called for Comey to be fired less than a week before the election? Post a link. It is kinda odd for the director of the FBI to do what he did. Did Obama fire Comey because of it?
Rod Rosenstein made the recommendation to fire Comey? Post a link.
Russian Trump Campaign connection... Yes. Don't spin this into Trump himself. That will be found out when the FBI investigation is finished.
Short end of the stick? Lmao, I hear Fox and Rush repeat that line all day long. They aren't your friends, they're intentionally taking advantage of you. Those are the facts.
Trump didn't put sanctions on Russia.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Hillary skated by considerable problematic behavior
I see her behavior as a larger problem and more dishonest
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Hillary never got elected. She is a non-factor. This is a tu quoque fallacy on your part. It is not a wise debating strategy, it smacks of desperation on your part.
How about manipulating U.S. foreign policy for fun and profit?
What about using foreign policy to extort the nation of Qatar into giving money to a business venture owned by the Kushner family?
How about removing sanctions placed on a Chinese company so that Donald Trump can personally profit from a business deal in Indonesia?
And I haven’t even mentioned Russia.
What about using foreign policy to extort the nation of Qatar into giving money to a business venture owned by the Kushner family?
How about removing sanctions placed on a Chinese company so that Donald Trump can personally profit from a business deal in Indonesia?
And I haven’t even mentioned Russia.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is obvious from this thread that there are quite a few of Trump's actions that he should be impeached for but we need to remember that an impeachment is roughly the same as an indictment. To get a conviction Republicans will have to be convinced of his guilt. We are not quite there yet.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
Incapability and endangering safety
And you might never be there.
But I agree. At the very least they should wait until the Mueller investigation is done, and I mean completely done. You only get one kick at the can. And although I believe there will be (and already is) more than enough evidence to convict Trump, there are no guarantees with this insanely partisan and self-interested congress.
Phantasman
Well-Known Member
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/314161-dems-outraged-with-comey-after-house-briefing
"Comey has been under fire since several weeks before the Nov. 8 elections, when he announced a new leg in an FBI investigation into the use of a private email server by Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton — a probe that, as with the first round, resulted in no criminal charges. In response, many Democrats have accused Comey of altering the course of the presidential race in favor of Trump."
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/314161-dems-outraged-with-comey-after-house-briefing
"Democrats have not always been so restrained in their assessment of Mr. Comey. Many were apoplectic over his announcement — just days before November’s election — that he had resumed a federal inquiry into whether Mrs. Clinton mishandled classified information through her use of a private email server as secretary of state. Some Democrats were already fed up with Mr. Comey after he announced in July that he would not recommend charges against Mrs. Clinton while delivering a stinging critique of her conduct. Lawmakers and many in the Justice Department concluded Mr. Comey had acted outside his authority."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767
"Although the President has the power to remove an FBI director, the decision should not be taken lightly. I agree with the nearly unanimous opinions of former Department officials. The way the Director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong. As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a Director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the Director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions."- Letter from Rod Rosenstein
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-oligarchs-lose-16-billion-after-trump-sanctions-n864231
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Is this your way of admitting that you were wrong? After all you claimed Democrats, that is a plural, wanted Comey fired, yet you found only one. And your first article contradicted your claims:
"Yet there's also a powerful sense among the Democrats that, while their faith in Comey has plummeted, they'd rather have him atop the FBI than roll the dice to see who Trump would tap as a replacement."