What skill does Trump have that Biden doesn in regards to the economy?

[Stevicus]

Politics is like that -- you've got to please your masters, the electorate or your benefactors. All that outsourcing was the result of Americans preferring cheaper goods to American jobs -- if they even made the connection, which I doubt. And naturally businesses were happy to shutter expensive plants and find other, cheaper sources for their products.

No human endeavour is perfect -- we all know that. But the thing is that now I think Biden and the Democrats have looked at what happened in the past, realized how it hurt the nation, and at least are beginning to reverse it. And that's got to count for something.

Well, yes, there was once a time when Democrats were much different than they are now. Biden was born during FDR's presidency and grew up when Democrats were strong supporters of working people and pushed for the New Deal and LBJ's Great Society. So, he should know better. Even Republicans like Eisenhower were on board with a lot of these programs. What changed was when Reagan arose the Presidency, the Democrats and even the media just kind of...gave up and gave in. The media were especially shameless during those years, by refusing to get tough with Reagan and dubbing him the "Teflon President." Even Iran-Contra was treated as no big deal by the media.

Maybe the American people changed, or maybe the media influenced them into a different direction towards a bizarre hybrid encompassing the moral majority and ultra-capitalism during the consumerist, hedonistic, and cocaine-fueled 1980s. Mondale and other Democrats were like deer in the headlights, seemingly in some kind of daze which made them look impotent and sick. The lowest point of all was when Michael Dukakis rode on a tank, desperate to challenge the Democrats' image as being wimps (even though 20 years earlier many Democrats were part of a peace movement).

Clinton was basically Reagan Lite, sans the moral majority, which appealed to enough voters to turn it around and put the Democrats back in the White House. Ross Perot was also an independent candidate speaking out against the direction both parties were taking at the time.

Up until that point, I believed that the Democrats, despite some level of corruption and ineptitude, were still by and large, fighting the good fight for the American working class. It was during the Clinton years that I saw that they were no longer that.

 

[F1fan]

Well, yes, there was once a time when Democrats were much different than they are now. Biden was born during FDR's presidency and grew up when Democrats were strong supporters of working people and pushed for the New Deal and LBJ's Great Society. So, he should know better. Even Republicans like Eisenhower were on board with a lot of these programs. What changed was when Reagan arose the Presidency, the Democrats and even the media just kind of...gave up and gave in. The media were especially shameless during those years, by refusing to get tough with Reagan and dubbing him the "Teflon President." Even Iran-Contra was treated as no big deal by the media.

Maybe the American people changed, or maybe the media influenced them into a different direction towards a bizarre hybrid encompassing the moral majority and ultra-capitalism during the consumerist, hedonistic, and cocaine-fueled 1980s. Mondale and other Democrats were like deer in the headlights, seemingly in some kind of daze which made them look impotent and sick. The lowest point of all was when Michael Dukakis rode on a tank, desperate to challenge the Democrats' image as being wimps (even though 20 years earlier many Democrats were part of a peace movement).

Clinton was basically Reagan Lite, sans the moral majority, which appealed to enough voters to turn it around and put the Democrats back in the White House. Ross Perot was also an independent candidate speaking out against the direction both parties were taking at the time.

Up until that point, I believed that the Democrats, despite some level of corruption and ineptitude, were still by and large, fighting the good fight for the American working class. It was during the Clinton years that I saw that they were no longer that.

Reagan had Reagonomics which were supply side. This certainly helped offset the massive inflation in the late 70's to 80's. The tax cuts might have helped drive the economy, I'm not sure. It did bring in the era of government spend, spend, spend, and not worry about revenue. Alot of that was military spending, and Reagan gets the credit for ending the cold war. The theater of power was something Reagan did well. Clinton was more moderate and popular as well, but brough in the fiscal responsibility republicans usually claim to have.

I think image and the theater of power has too much importance these days. Trump definately is theatrical and that seems to appeal to many voters, even if his ramblings are incoherent and pointless.

 

[F1fan]

So Trump has two votes. Biden has 6 votes. Where are the Trump voters explaining how he is better for the economy than Biden? What are Trump's policies that reduce inflation? To get workers higher wages? What are his promises? I have heard nothing except him complaining and lying.

 

[Yerda]

Is being a natural salesman a good reason? Best I could come up with.

 

[Stevicus]

Reagan had Reagonomics which were supply side. This certainly helped offset the massive inflation in the late 70's to 80's. The tax cuts might have helped drive the economy, I'm not sure. It did bring in the era of government spend, spend, spend, and not worry about revenue. Alot of that was military spending, and Reagan gets the credit for ending the cold war. The theater of power was something Reagan did well. Clinton was more moderate and popular as well, but brough in the fiscal responsibility republicans usually claim to have.

I think image and the theater of power has too much importance these days. Trump definately is theatrical and that seems to appeal to many voters, even if his ramblings are incoherent and pointless.

The country was still reeling but recovering in the late 70s. Carter was a good man, but he may have been in over his head in a city like Washington DC. Carter was like a respite after the Nixon-Ford era. I think the Iran crisis put him under, as well as perceptions that US prestige and ability to defend itself was diminished. Reagan came in like 20 Mule Team Borax and started talking tough and pulling out Cold War rhetoric straight out of the 1950s, as if Detente never happened. It was similar for the anti-war movement, as Reagan made war cool again. Then there was the Moral Majority, which was neither.

A lot of things changed during those years. Qualified Immunity came into being, along with civil forfeiture laws, and a severely ramped-up "War on Drugs," which gave more powers to police and led to the militarized police forces we see nowadays. Then there was Iran-Contra, where he paid ransom to terrorists for hostages and used the illicit money to fund an abominable covert war in Nicaragua.

I don't think Reaganomics was really all that it was cracked up to be. There was a lot Reagan hype which was spread on pretty thick during those years, and the media treated him with kit gloves. As a result, he became the Teflon President. He was against unions and anti-labor. While there may have been certain short-term gains, there were a few voices which warned that "we will pay later." They were right. Reagan and Greenspan were wrong. Even Greenspan admitted as much later in life.

I know that Reagan gets credit for ending the Cold War, but I don't believe he deserves any of that credit. If anything, it was Gorbachev who ended the Cold War. Gorbachev was not a hardliner and favored more open and normalized relations with the West. By the 1980s, there were those in the USSR who were beginning to see that the Cold War with the West was becoming more and more irrelevant in their national security perceptions. Europe was reasonably stable, so there was little chance that a nationalist dictator could come to power in Germany and attack Russia again. I had a professor who was an ex-KGB agent who defected to the U.S., and he mentioned that their bigger concerns in the 80s was the Middle East, Central Asia (Afghanistan), and China. China was especially concerning to them at that point. They really had nothing against America anymore; it was China that was their main worry.

In that sense, perhaps even Nixon might deserve the real credit for ending the Cold War, as he was the one who saw the advantage of triangular diplomacy during the Cold War. Reagan never had that level of subtlety or sophistication. He was more like some kind of blowhard gunfighter who actually scared a lot of people.

As for the theater of power, one can look pretty good if one has most of the media and the power structure saying nothing but positive things and good news. Even Mondale took an incredibly bland softball approach in the '84 election. As for Trump, I don't know if it's a theater of power or a theater of chaos.

 

[Yerda]

Is being a natural salesman a good reason? Best I could come up with.

 

[Pogo]

Reagan had Reagonomics which were supply side. This certainly helped offset the massive inflation in the late 70's to 80's. The tax cuts might have helped drive the economy, I'm not sure. It did bring in the era of government spend, spend, spend, and not worry about revenue. Alot of that was military spending, and Reagan gets the credit for ending the cold war. The theater of power was something Reagan did well. Clinton was more moderate and popular as well, but brough in the fiscal responsibility republicans usually claim to have.

I think image and the theater of power has too much importance these days. Trump definately is theatrical and that seems to appeal to many voters, even if his ramblings are incoherent and pointless.

Reagan was the beginning of Horses**t economics where tax cuts for the rich were supposed to boost everybody, they have only had the effect of making the rich richer and increasing the debt. He was a great communicator, he convinced everybody that his trumpet knocked down a wall, reality from those who lived on the other side, the wall had rotted so far internally that it basically fell of it's own accord due to the east recognizing the bankruptcy and untennability of their position. They didn't know or care who Reagan was and still don't.

He was a con man and an entertainer fronting for some marginal intellectuals.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, it will, as it's those who prefer to keep a democratic republic versus those who want a dictatorship as Trump said he'd create on day 1 to Sean Hannity.

I'm sure there will be marshal law, but just for a day.

 

[Pogo]

Is being a natural salesman a good reason? Best I could come up with.

If you are auditioning for the plaid jacket used car salesman role.

 

[Pogo]

Is being a natural salesman a good reason? Best I could come up with.

If you are auditioning for the plaid jacket used car salesman role.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well, yes, there was once a time when Democrats were much different than they are now. Biden was born during FDR's presidency and grew up when Democrats were strong supporters of working people and pushed for the New Deal and LBJ's Great Society. So, he should know better. Even Republicans like Eisenhower were on board with a lot of these programs. What changed was when Reagan arose the Presidency, the Democrats and even the media just kind of...gave up and gave in. The media were especially shameless during those years, by refusing to get tough with Reagan and dubbing him the "Teflon President." Even Iran-Contra was treated as no big deal by the media.

Maybe the American people changed, or maybe the media influenced them into a different direction towards a bizarre hybrid encompassing the moral majority and ultra-capitalism during the consumerist, hedonistic, and cocaine-fueled 1980s. Mondale and other Democrats were like deer in the headlights, seemingly in some kind of daze which made them look impotent and sick. The lowest point of all was when Michael Dukakis rode on a tank, desperate to challenge the Democrats' image as being wimps (even though 20 years earlier many Democrats were part of a peace movement).

Clinton was basically Reagan Lite, sans the moral majority, which appealed to enough voters to turn it around and put the Democrats back in the White House. Ross Perot was also an independent candidate speaking out against the direction both parties were taking at the time.

Up until that point, I believed that the Democrats, despite some level of corruption and ineptitude, were still by and large, fighting the good fight for the American working class. It was during the Clinton years that I saw that they were no longer that.

Trump is primarly consistent over the years.

Biden flips flops all over the place.

 

[Pogo]

Is being a natural salesman a good reason? Best I could come up with.

If you are auditioning for the plaid jacket used car salesman role.

 

[F1fan]

Trump is primarly consistent over the years.

A lying lunatic.

Biden flips flops all over the place.

Oh, you mean he adjusts to the changing world. Yes, that is what sound leadership does.

 

[Kfox]

Recent polling shows that the economy is the biggest priority for American voters, over immigration and abortion access.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_mTlzQOB.pdf#page=111

I watched news coverage of Trump's Bronx rally that included interviews with some who attended. One woman was asked why she is supporting Trump and she said that the economy is not good. She cited housing costs as well as food costs. This seems to be a common attitude among many voters. More polling shows that Trump has a higher rating than Biden:

CBS News poll finds voters remember Trump's economy as good, boosting Trump to national lead over Biden today

A new CBS News poll finds Trump leads Biden by four points nationally.

www.cbsnews.com

Those who rely on reputable media may be aware that the USA has been able to control inflation with some success, mostly raising interest rates and the Inflation Reduction Act. Despite inflation pressure the US economy is doing well, with jobs being added every month and a new record of 40,000 for the Dow Jones. Inflation is a global phenomenon due mostly from the rebound of the pandemic. Many right wing pundits blame Biden for inflation when it is in fact a global issue. It seems many voters are incorrectly blaming Biden for inflation as well. Biden did pass the Inflation Reduction Act which has helped slow the inflation rate. It hasn't stopped corporations from raising prices with tricks like shrinkflation.

So, what makes Trump a better option as president? Can Trump stop shrinkflation? What policies will he impose that will lower inflation? Let's not forget that it is republicans who advocate for free markets and little government interferance, so will this mantra be thrown out to slow inflation?

Trump has claimed he will impose tariffs on China, but where is his analysis on the increased costs passed down to consumers?

If you vote one way or another post your reasons with evidence and an argument. I don't care about your opinion, I want to hear arguments for one candidate or the other.

I don't think the biggest thing Trump did to improve the economy was to get Government out of the way and allow free Enterprise to run rapid. Cutting regulations that had been in place for years, drilling for Oil in ways previously not allowed, getting rid of green policies that can't stand on their own, I think things like that allowed the economy to expand the way it did on his watch. I think Biden is more likely to work in putting more regulations in place. When Biden said "big oil has no place in the Biden Administration" I believe he meant it.

 

[fantome profane]

When Biden said "big oil has no place in the Biden Administration" I believe he meant it.

I hope so. But "big oil" will be able to buy a place in the Trump Administration for -

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131

 

[metis]

I'm sure there will be marshal law, but just for a day.

Marshal Law is not the same as a dictatorship that Trump has promised would start on day 1 if elected. What about his other promises like those used by authoritarian governments?

 

[F1fan]

I don't think the biggest thing Trump did to improve the economy was to get Government out of the way and allow free Enterprise to run rapid.

Which is one reason why global inflation ramped up. More demand meant higher prices post pandemic.

Cutting regulations that had been in place for years, drilling for Oil in ways previously not allowed, getting rid of green policies that can't stand on their own, I think things like that allowed the economy to expand the way it did on his watch.

If you mean allowing drilling in areas that were protected nature reserves, yes. And also pipelines that run in areas that would create huge natural disasters if there's a break. Republicans want to take bigger risks for the sake of short term benefits than democrats. Democrats want to invest in green energy now so the evolution of energy production will be more seamless and less costly. Fossil fuel supports republicans who resist the change and help their profits, and also continue the dumping of carbon into the atmosphere. Let's not ignore that the huge increase in storms this year is exactly what climate change scientists were predicting, and it's predicted to get worse. We all need to prepare for higher insurance rates because insurance companies don't like losses. More storms and higher insurance rates in the long term effect of republican fossil fuel policies.

I think Biden is more likely to work in putting more regulations in place. When Biden said "big oil has no place in the Biden Administration" I believe he meant it.

Biden has policies in place, and Trump has promised to eliminate them all. More fossil fuel buring, more republican sabotage of green energy. Not a sane long term plan for the planet.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A lying lunatic.

Oh, you mean he adjusts to the changing world. Yes, that is what sound leadership does.

Hardly.

Trump is focused. Biden is not.

 

[metis]

Trump is focused. Biden is not.

Trump is a neo-fascist. Biden is not.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump is a neo-fascist. Biden is not.

I'll first wait for the right wing to yell, "Fascism Wins"!