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What the Arizona Bill is really about.

Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It seems there are at least about 10 to 14 of these bills in various stages of passage through-out the country. For instance, there's one that has passed one branch of the Georgia legislature, and other very similar bills in Kansas, Tennessee, and Utah -- to name just a few of the states where these bills are suddenly cropping up.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
SkylarHunter said:
Not really, but I guess that's subject to interpretation. I simply would like to be able to refuse participating in things that go against my beliefs without being tagged as racist/homophobic which, by the way, I don't think I am.

Let me explain with a simple example. If I had a restaurant and gay people came over for a meal and a coffee I would serve them happily and would see them just like any other customer. Having a meal is something normal for everyone, humans need to eat and there's no connection between eating and sexual orientation. If the same gay people asked me to host their wedding in my restaurant I would say no. Why? because that would be a celebration directly connected to a lifestyle I don't agree with and I should not be forced to have an active participation in such event. Would that make me lose business? Probably, but I would still like to have the choice.
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So where do you draw the line?

What if a same sex married couple wanted to celebrate their six month anniversary by having a meal in your lovely restaurant? Would you serve them? Or would you refuse to serve them as that would be an active participation in the celebration of their anniversary?

And even if you personally would serve them for their anniversary dinner, would some other restaurant owner be justified in refusing them? Could a restaurant owner cite this law in refusing to serve a same sex married couple?
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Sunstone said:
It seems there are at least about 10 to 14 of these bills in various stages of passage through-out the country. For instance, there's one that has passed one branch of the Georgia legislature, and other very similar bills in Kansas, Tennessee, and Utah -- to name just a few of the states where these bills are suddenly cropping up.
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Ebb, flow, ebb, flow - however, the overall water level is gradually drowning anti-gay laws.
 
SkylarHunter

SkylarHunter

Active Member
fantôme profane;3676915 said:
So where do you draw the line?

What if a same sex married couple wanted to celebrate their six month anniversary by having a meal in your lovely restaurant? Would you serve them? Or would you refuse to serve them as that would be an active participation in the celebration of their anniversary?

And even if you personally would serve them for their anniversary dinner, would some other restaurant owner be justified in refusing them? Could a restaurant owner cite this law in refusing to serve a same sex married couple?
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Good question. I haven't thought about it in that much detail and I'll be honest with you, some lines can get very blurry and in the end it will be a matter for each person to decide.
How specific is this law anyway? Is it clear about what businesses can/can't do or is it mostly vague and subject to interpretation?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The state of Arizona actually passed a similar measure some years ago, but Phoenix, Tucson, and one other city (memory is failing) passed local resolutions that prevents discrimination against gays with businesses that serve the general public. This new law if passed would override their local votes.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
SkylarHunter said:
Good question. I haven't thought about it in that much detail and I'll be honest with you, some lines can get very blurry and in the end it will be a matter for each person to decide.
How specific is this law anyway? Is it clear about what businesses can/can't do or is it mostly vague and subject to interpretation?
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It is not that specific at all. You may say that you would serve a gay couple in your restaurant, but if you didn't want to, you could use this law as a defense. (If it passes)

And that is just the point. If we leave the matter up to each person to decide we could get "straight only lunch counters".
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Kilgore Trout said:
Ebb, flow, ebb, flow - however, the overall water level is gradually drowning anti-gay laws.
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The water level seems to be rising fast. Indiana has been working on a state constitutional amendment for years. Just as the final vote to put it on November's ballot came up, it lost support and is currently dead. Apparently the legislature realised that it not only could easily lose, it will bring out a base that will take a huge toll on conservative legislators.

Tom
 
shawn001

shawn001

Well-Known Member
columbus said:
The water level seems to be rising fast. Indiana has been working on a state constitutional amendment for years. Just as the final vote to put it on November's ballot came up, it lost support and is currently dead. Apparently the legislature realised that it not only could easily lose, it will bring out a base that will take a huge toll on conservative legislators.

Tom
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AZ should be worrying about there water level, they are in a severe drought and get water from the Midwest Aquifer which is also drying up.
 
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