What the Hadiths of Ahlulbayt (a) says about verse 3:7

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Salam

The clear vs ambiguous


العياشي عن الصادق عليه السلام انه سئل عن المحكم والمتشابه فقال المحكم ما يعمل به والمتشابه ما اشتبه على جاهله وقد سبقت أخبار آخر في تفسيرهما في المقدمة الرابعة.

وفي الكافي والعياشي عنه عليه السلام في تأويله أن المحكمات أمير المؤمنين والأئمة عليهم السلام والمتشابهات فلان وفلان.

{ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ } ميل عن الحق كالمبتدعة { فَيَتّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ } فيتعلّقون بظاهره أو بـتأويل باطل { ابْتِغَاءَ الْفِتْنَةِ } طلب أن يفتنوا الناس عن دينهم بالتشكيك والتلبيس ومناقضة المحكم بالمتشابه.


Imam Sadiq (a) was asked about the clear and ambiguous, he said the clear is what is acted upon and the ambiguous is unclear due to ignorance (the author of the tafsir then says many such hadiths exist).

Imam Sadiq (a) regarding interpretation "the clear" is "the Commander of the faithful and the Imams/leaders (peace be upon them) and the ambiguous is fulan and fulan(which is an expression for Abu Bakr and Umar in our hadiths) who are away from the truth like an innovator "so they follow what is apparent and which it's interpretation is a falsehood "seeking discord" seeking to try/prosecute people regarding their religion "so those who have perversity in their hearts" by doubt and mixing and inorganizing the clear and ambiguous.


It's all clear signs in hearts of the family of Mohammad (s)


I disagree with the translation, I would have translated it as "Nay, it is clear signs in the hearts of those given the knowledge".



1ـ أَحْمَدُ بْنُ مِهْرَانَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ الْمُخْتَارِ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا جَعْفَرٍ (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) يَقُولُ فِي هَذِهِ الايَةِ بَلْ هُوَ آياتٌ بَيِّناتٌ فِي صُدُورِ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ فَأَوْمَأَ بِيَدِهِ إِلَى صَدْرِهِ.

1. Ahmad ibn Mahran has narrated from Muhammad ibn Ali from Hammed ibn ’Isa from al-Husayn ibn al-Mukhtar from abu Basir who has said that he heard abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) say the following about this verse of the Holy Quran. “In fact, the Quran consists of illustrious verses that exist in the hearts of those who have knowledge. . .” (29:49) The Imams (a.s.) pointed to his own chest.”

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2ـ عَنْهُ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَبْدِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) فِي قَوْلِ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ بَلْ هُوَ آياتٌ بَيِّناتٌ فِي صُدُورِ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ قَالَ هُمُ الائِمَّةُ (عَلَيْهم السَّلام )

2. It is narrated from him from Muhammad ibn Ali from ibn Mahbub from ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-‘Abdi from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following about the words of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High. “In fact, the Quran consists of illustrious verses that exist in the hearts of those who have knowledge. . .” (29:49) ‘They are the Imams (a.s.)’.

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2ـ عَنْهُ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَبْدِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) فِي قَوْلِ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ بَلْ هُوَ آياتٌ بَيِّناتٌ فِي صُدُورِ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ قَالَ هُمُ الائِمَّةُ (عَلَيْهم السَّلام )

2. It is narrated from him from Muhammad ibn Ali from ibn Mahbub from ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-‘Abdi from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following about the words of Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High. “In fact, the Quran consists of illustrious verses that exist in the hearts of those who have knowledge. . .” (29:49) ‘They are the Imams (a.s.)’.

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4ـ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ يَزِيدَ شَغَرٍ عَنْ هَارُونَ بْنِ حَمْزَةَ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) قَالَ سَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ بَلْ هُوَ آياتٌ بَيِّناتٌ فِي صُدُورِ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ قَالَ هُمُ الائِمَّةُ (عَلَيْهم السَّلام) خَاصَّةً.

4. Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn from Yazid Sha‘ar from Harun ibn Hamza who has said that he hear abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) say who has said the following. “In fact, the Quran consists of illustrious verses that exist in the hearts of those who have knowledge. . .” (29:49) ‘They are the Imams (a.s.) exclusive of all others.’”

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5ـ عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ سَعِيدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْفُضَيْلِ قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنْ قَوْلِ الله عَزَّ وَجَلَّ بَلْ هُوَ آياتٌ بَيِّناتٌ فِي صُدُورِ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ قَالَ هُمُ الائِمَّةُ (عَلَيْهم السَّلام) خَاصَّةً.

5. A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from al-Husayn ibn Sa‘d from Muhammad ibn al-Fudayl who has said that he asked abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) about the meaning of the following verse of the Holy Quran. “In fact, the Quran consists of illustrious verses that exist in the hearts of those who have knowledge. . .” (29:49) The Imams (a.s.) said, “They are the Imams (a.s.) exclusive of all others.”

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Firmly rooted in knowledge

1ـ عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ سَعِيدٍ عَنِ النَّضْرِ بْنِ سُوَيْدٍ عَنْ أَيُّوبَ بْنِ الْحُرِّ وَعِمْرَانَ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) قَالَ نَحْنُ الرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ وَنَحْنُ نَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ.

1. A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from al-Husayn ibn Sa‘id from an-Nadr ibn Suwayd from Ayyub ibn Hurr and ‘Imran ibn Ali from abu Basir from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following. “We are the people well-grounded in knowledge and we are the ones who know how to interpret it.”

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The People Well-grounded in Knowledge are the Imams (a.s.) alone

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3ـ الْحُسَيْنُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ مُعَلَّى بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أُورَمَةَ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ حَسَّانَ عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ كَثِيرٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام) قَالَ الرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالائِمَّةُ مِنْ بَعْدِهِ (عَلَيْهِ السَّلام )

3. Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated from MuAlia ibn Muhammad from Muhammad ibn ’Uwarma from Ali ibn Hassan from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir from abu ‘bdallah (a.s.) who has said the following. “People well-grounded in Knowledge stands for Amir al-Mu’minin Ali (a.s.) and the Imams after him.”

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The People Well-grounded in Knowledge are the Imams (a.s.) alone

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A Prayer to be done after finishing Quran

Sahifa Sajjadia-Dua 42 Completion of reading of Quran

Supplication 42 Completion of reading of Quran

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وَاجْعَلْنَا مِمَّنْ يَعْتَصِمُ بِحَبْلِهِ،
waj-a'l-naa mim-man yaa'-tas'imu bih'ab-lih
34.and make us one of those who hold fast to its cord,

وَيَـأْوِي مِنَ الْمُتَشَـابِهَاتِ إلَى حِرْزِ مَعْقِلِهِ،
wa yaa-wee minal-mutashaabihaati ilaa h'ir-zi maa'-qilih
35.seek haven from its ambiguities in its fortified stronghold,

وَيَسْكُنُ فِي ظِـلِّ جَنَاحِهِ،
wa yas-kunu fee z'il-li janaah'ih
36.rest in the shadow of its wing,

وَيَهْتَدِي بِضَوْءِ صَباحِِهِ،
wa yah-tadee biz''aw-i s'abaah'ih
37.find guidance in the brightness of its morning,

وَيَقْتَدِي بِتَبَلُّج إسْفَارِهِ،
wa yaq-tadee bitabal-luji is-faarih
38.follow the shining of its disclosure,

وَيَسْتَصْبحُ بِمِصْباحِهِ،
wa yas-tas'-bihoo bimis'-baah'ih
39.acquire light from its lamp,

وَلا يَلْتَمِسُ ألْهُدَى فِي غَيْرِهِ.
wa laa yal-tamisul-hudaa fee ghay-rih
40.and beg not guidance from other then it!

 

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Sermon of Imam Ali (a) about differences of scholars

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-18-when-problem-put

When1 a problem is put before anyone of them he passes judgement on it from his imagination. When exactly the same problem is placed before another of them he passes an opposite verdict. Then these judges go to the chief who had appointed them and he confirms all the verdicts, although their Allah is One (and the same), their Prophet is one (and the same), their Book (the Qur’an) is one (and the same)!

تَرِدُ عَلَى أحَدِهِمُ القَضِيَّةُ في حُكْمٍ مِنَ الاْحْكَامِ فَيَحْكُمُ فِيهَا بِرَأْيِهِ، ثُمَّ تَرِدُ تِلْكَ القَضِيَّةُ بِعَيْنِهَا عَلَى غَيْرِهِ فَيَحْكُمُ فِيها بِخِلافِ قَوْلِهِ، ثُمَّ يَجْتَمِعُ القُضَاةُ بِذلِكَ عِنْدَ إمامِهِم الَّذِي اسْتَقْضَاهُم فَيُصَوِّبُ آرَاءَهُمْ جَمِيعاً، وَإِلهُهُمْ وَاحِدٌ! وَنَبِيُّهُمْ وَاحِدٌ! وَكِتَابُهُمْ وَاحِدٌ!

Is it that Allah ordered them to differ and they obeyed Him? Or He prohibited them from it but they disobeyed Him? Or (is it that) Allah sent an incomplete Faith and sought their help to complete it? Or they are His partners in the affairs, so that it is their share of duty to pronounce and He has to agree? Or is it that Allah the Glorified sent a perfect faith but the Prophet fell short of conveying it and handing it over (to the people)? The fact is that Allah the Glorified says:

We have not neglected anything in the Book (Qur’an) . . . (6:38),

and in it is a ‘clarification of everything’2 And He says that one part of the Qur’an verifies another part and that there is no divergence in it as He says:

.And if it had been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much discrepancy. (4:82)

أَفَأَمَرَهُمُ اللهُ ـ سُبْحَانَهُ ـ بِالاخْتلاَفِ فَأَطَاعُوهُ! أَمْ نَهَاهُمْ عَنْهُ فَعَصَوْهُ! أَمْ أَنْزَلَ اللهُ سُبْحَانَهُ دِيناً نَاقِصاً فَاسْتَعَانَ بِهِمْ عَلَى إِتْمَامِهِ! أَمْ كَانُوا شُرَكَاءَ لَهُ فَلَهُمْ أَنْ يَقُولُوا وَعَلَيْهِ أَنْ يَرْضِى؟ أَمْ أَنْزَلَ اللهُ سُبْحَانَهُ دِيناً تَامّاً فَقَصَّرَ الرَّسُولُ (صلى الله عليه وآله) عَنْ تَبْلِيغِهِ وَأَدَائِهِ؟ وَاللهُ سُبْحَانَهُ يَقُولُ: (مَا فَرَّطْنَا في الكِتَابِ مِنْ شَيْء) وَفِيهِ تِبْيَانٌ لِكُلِّ شَيْء، وَذَكَرَ أَنَّ الكِتَابَ يُصَدِّقُ بَعْضُهُ بَعْضاً، وَأَنَّهُ لاَ اخْتِلافَ فِيهِ، فَقَالَ سُبْحَانَهُ: (وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِنْدِ غَيرِ اللهِ لَوَجَدُوا فِيهِ اخْتِلافاً كَثِيراً)

Certainly the outside of the Qur’an is wonderful and its inside is deep (in meaning). Its wonders will never disappear, its amazements will never pass away and its intricacies cannot be cleared except through itself.

وَإِنَّ القُرآنَ ظَاهِرُهُ أَنِيقٌ وَبَاطِنُهُ عَمِيقٌ، لاَ تَفْنَى عَجَائِبُهُ، وَلاَتَنْقَضِي غَرَائِبُهُ، وَلاَ تُكْشَفُ الظُّلُمَاتُ إلاَّ بِهِ.

Intricacies is interpretation of the word "it's darkness (plural in Arabic) can be unveiled/healed except by itself".



Imam Ali Al-Hadi (a) in a long letter:



Besides, an ambiguous text cannot be taken as evidence against the decisive texts. God orders us to follow the decisive Quranic texts only. He says:

It is God who has revealed the Book to you in which some verses are decisive statements (which accept no interpretation) and these are the fundamental ideas of the Book, while other verses are ambiguous. Those whose hearts are perverse, follow the ambiguous in pursuit of their own mischievous goals by interpreting them in a way that will suit their own purpose. No one knows its true interpretations except God and those who have a firm grounding in knowledge. They say, "We believe in it. All its verses are from our Lord." No one can grasp this fact except the people of reason. Give the glad news to those of Our servants who listen to the words (of the Quran) and follow the best of it. They are those whom God has guided. They are the people of understanding 'The best words' in the previous Verse stands for the most decisive and the clearest. God lead you and us to say and do what He likes and accepts, and save you and us against the acts of disobedience to Him out of His grace and favor. All praise is due to God as fit as He deserves. The blessings of God be upon Mohammed and his immaculate family. Allah be sufficient for us. He is surely the best guardian.



There are many more hadiths, but I feel this is a strong start.


@Augustus @stevecanuck @InvestigateTruth

Some of my thoughts:

The best of Quran is it's clear insights and clear signs. In fact, 3:7 is saying this is the original book, it's the clear signs book that is the original book. However, the Quran it is full clear signs form is known to God and Ahlulbayt (a) only, to them the Quran says it's all clear signs.

However, us due to ignorance, some verses may appear ambiguous, especially, when we don't focus and decontextualize the words from it's proper place which Quran warns about in 5:13.

I decided since the three people I tagged don't believe in black magic effecting people to not see the Quran, I would not discuss that paradigm as to why verses appear unclear to many when otherwise they are very clear by language rules even though the verses in Surah hajj in this respect is highly important. I've discussed that many times, but will try to not to focus on that here.

 

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Salam

The prayer of Imam Zainal Abideen (a) shows to take refuge from it's ambiguous to it's strong fortification. This means in the Quran, there will be clear ways to build knowledge. What is ambiguous can always be cleared by what is clearer. Then once that is made clear, you can further make clear other parts that appear ambiguous to you by that clear part.

 

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Salam

Imam Ali (a) words on verse 4:82 is highly important. It means that if we have a reflection and it's not actually from God (the implication is not from God's book), we will find in the Quran many things contradicting that.

What does this mean in terms of 3:7. It means whatever false interpretation is given - you will find the Quran contradicts it and refutes it in many ways. So if anyone follows ambiguous, they will be opposing much of the Quran, and in a way in cognitive dissonance with respect to it.

This means not only does Quran clarify itself, but it allows no room for false implications not from God's intentions because it will refute it in many various ways.

The Quran encourages reflecting over it's verses, and in conjugation with that, says if the reflection is not from God, there will be many contradictions in the Quran to that reflection.

 

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Salam

@Starlight you maybe interested in this as well. Not sure.

 

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@Truthseeker @Trailblazer @TransmutingSoul

Truthseeker mentioned the issue of interpretation and verse 3:7.

Trailblazer is maybe yet to read the Quran, but perhaps this will help her deal with the nature of the Quran and it's paradigm.

Transmuting soul has mentioned about our own interpretation vs God's interpretation. I think what Imam Ali (a) says is helpful in that regard. If we do an opinion that is not implied by God's signs and is not a reflection emanating from God and his words, we will find in the Quran many contradicting verses.

So the Quran not only clarifies itself, but if a false interpretation is given, it will refute it. This way it safeguards itself from misinterpretation.

 

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The Quran do not need hadiths to explain it.

And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember Quran Al-Qamar (54:17)

We did not leave anything out of the Book. Quran 6:38

We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 7:52]

 

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The Quran do not need hadiths to explain it.

And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember Quran Al-Qamar (54:17)

We did not leave anything out of the Book. Quran 6:38

We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 7:52]

Maybe I should throw away all my coding books, and just look up the Quran on how to program?

 

[Starlight]

Maybe I should throw away all my coding books, and just look up the Quran on how to program?

Thats an wierd comparison

you do not learn to coding in the Quran or in the hadiths

 

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Thats an wierd comparison

And by the way you do not learn to coding in the Quran. But you do not learn to coding in the hadiths either

It's not weird. Quran actually has a command to Muslims that integrates the issue of coding.

وَأَعِدُّوا لَهُمْ مَا اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ وَمِنْ رِبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدُوَّ اللَّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِنْ دُونِهِمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ ۚ وَمَا تُنْفِقُوا مِنْ شَيْءٍ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يُوَفَّ إِلَيْكُمْ وَأَنْتُمْ لَا تُظْلَمُونَ | Prepare against them whatever you can of [military] power and war-horses, awing thereby the enemy of Allah, and your enemy, and others besides them, whom you do not know, but Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah will be repaid to you in full, and you will not be wronged. | Al-Anfaal : 60

I don't think war-horses are commanded by this verse today, even though it says in the verse.

Similarly, when I think of coding and computers, I think of the issue of fire and wood:

أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ النَّارَ الَّتِي تُورُونَ | Have you considered the fire that you kindle? | Al-Waaqia : 71

أَأَنْتُمْ أَنْشَأْتُمْ شَجَرَتَهَا أَمْ نَحْنُ الْمُنْشِئُونَ | Was it you who caused its tree to grow, or were We the grower? | Al-Waaqia : 72

نَحْنُ جَعَلْنَاهَا تَذْكِرَةً وَمَتَاعًا لِلْمُقْوِينَ | It was We who made it a reminder and a boon for the desert-dwellers. | Al-Waaqia : 73


Are computers we have today possible without silicon? Processors would be super slow and big giant computers in size of buildings might be still a thing, were it not for God giving us silicon.

And other parts for disk saving, and different things in nature, that allow it to happen.

And both these verses relate to the issue of this verse:

لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلَنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَنْزَلْنَا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْمِيزَانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ ۖ وَأَنْزَلْنَا الْحَدِيدَ فِيهِ بَأْسٌ شَدِيدٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَرُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزِيزٌ | Certainly We sent Our apostles with manifest proofs, and We sent down with them the Book and the Balance, so that mankind may uphold(rise up with) justice; and We sent down iron, in which there is great might and uses for mankind, and so that Allah may know those who help Him and His apostles by the unseen/secret. Indeed Allah is all-strong, all-mighty. | Al-Hadid : 25


You are talking about theory Quran only. It is not realistic.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Thats an wierd comparison

you do not learn to coding in the Quran or in the hadiths

Starlight, I would offer that It is actually a sound metephor. The books do contain hidden meanings and according to Revelation were closed to many understandings.

A good example.of this is to read Abdul'baha's explanations of the Bible in Some Answered Questions. One can see how passages were symbolic of much deeper understandings.

Also, tradition states that knowledge contains 27 letters and up to the declaration of the Bab only 2 letters were disclosed. So in this age we have been given the remaining 25 letters, nothing can be hidden anymore, but it is srill up to us as individuals to find those Truths.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Quran do not need hadiths to explain it.

And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember Quran Al-Qamar (54:17)

We did not leave anything out of the Book. Quran 6:38

We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 7:52]

This is Truth. The on the other hand therr is very few that can read the quran and understand it. I would.offer only the Messengers themselves understand what is written without further explanations.

Personally I gain my understanding from those who have already broken the codes and given us a solution to consider. Yet I still need to pursue that in justice and reason.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@Link

Here are some more Hadithes from Al-Kafi about the topic:

"... Say to them, "No one knows its interpretation except Allah and those who are well-grounded in knowledge."
If they would ask, "Who are the ones well-grounded in knowledge?" Say, "They are those in whose knowledge there is no disharmony." If they would ask, "Who is he?" Say, "the Messenger of Allah was such a person...."


"No one knows its interpretation except Allah and those firmly rooted in knowledge. Therefore, to remain silent in its interpretation and to confess failure in understanding its meaning is most righteous, worthwhile and suitable to precaution." (Mir’at al-‘uqul, vol.2, p.24)


H 554, Ch. 22, h 1
A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from al Husayn ibn Sa‘id from an-Nadr ibn Suwayd from Ayyub ibn Hurr and ‘Imran ibn Ali from abu Basir from abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following:

"We are the people well-grounded in knowledge and we are the ones who know how to interpret it."


H 556, ch. 22, h 3
Al-Husayn ibn Muhammad has narrated from MuAlia ibn Muhammad from Muhammad ibn ’Uwarma from Ali ibn Hassan from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Kathir from abu ‘bdallah (a.s.) who has said the following:

"People well-grounded in Knowledge stands for Amir al-Mu’minin
Ali (a.s.) and the Imams after him."

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@Link

And in verses of Surrah of the Resurrection, the 75th Surrah القيامة:

75:6 asking [derisively], "When is that Resurrection Day to be?"
75:7 But [on that Day,] when the eyesight is by fear confounded
75:8 and the moon is darkened
75:9 and the sun and the moon are brought togethe
75:10 on that Day will man exclaim "Whither to flee?"
75:11 But nay: no refuge [for thee, O man]
75:12 With thy Sustainer, on that Day, the journey's end will be
75:13 Man will be apprised, on that Day, of what he has done and what he has left undone
75:14 nay, but man shall against himself be an eye-witness
75:15 even though he may veil himself in excuses
75:16 MOVE NOT thy tongue in haste,
75:17 for, behold, it is for Us to gather it and to cause it to be read
75:18 Thus, when We recite it, follow thou its wording
75:19 and then, behold, it will be for Us to make its meaning clear
75:20 NAY, but you love this fleeting life


فَإِذَا قَرَأۡنَـٰهُ فَٱتَّبِعۡ قُرۡءَانَهُ
ثُمَّ إِنَّ عَلَیۡنَا بَیَانَهُ


Notice, why should verses of 75:18 and 19 be in a Surrah Related to the Day of Resurrection!

What reason other than, that God promised to explain the meaning of the Quran, on the Day of Resurrection?

Then see how those two verses (18 and 19), are exactly the same as these two verses:


"We conveyed to them a Book in which We clearly and wisely spelled out guidance and grace to people who believe.
Are they only waiting for it to be interpreted? The day its interpretation comes along, those who have already forgotten it will say: "Our Lord´s messengers did bring the Truth! Have we any intercessors to intercede for us? Or should we be sent back, then we would act so differently from the way we have been acting." They have lost their souls and what they have been inventing has left them in the lurch." 7:52-53

See?!!

And then notice how the Revelation was called the Quran, and the Revelation the Bab received is called Bayaan (بيان).

 

[Link]

Salam

I know you know this @InvestigateTruth but Tawil can be it's finality. People can check translations. In case, either is true, on the day of judgment, the truth will be manifest including the true interpretation of the Quran. The Imam Mahdi (a) will manifest truth but to a lesser degree then the proof on the day of judgment.

As for upon us it's explanation, this has two possible meanings, it can be Imams (a) explain Quran or it can refer to the fact God will spread it's explanation and clarification through Imam Mahdi (a).

Also, the Quran of Ali (a) has order of the verses revealed along with explanation of the Sunnah giving context to it's revelation. This can be put in program and we can see dynamically how Quran was built over 23 years. So this Quran of Ali (a) seems meant for computer age - or it has it's most convenient way of being read right now.

Imam Mahdi (a) will bring the Quran of Ali (a) and revive the Sunnah and bring Quran to new heights through that.

Also, check hadiths of what al-Baqir means and how it's even in the Torah. The explicit words is not there, but you can derive it from prayer of Musa (a) with "the one God will send" and what Haroun (a) position is as explained by Quran in that regard, and why God wants Musa (a) to pray regarding Haroun (a) instead has a whole theme.

It is said Al-Baqir (a) cleaved the knowledge of the first and last. Now, this to a great degree has been lost especially with the Mongols destroying much of literature of Muslims.

But I believe enough light remains today, but yes, Imam Mahdi (a) will spread that knowledge to the whole world and augment people to new levels of understanding of Quran.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Salam

I know you know this @InvestigateTruth but Tawil can be it's finality. People can check translations. In case, either is true, on the day of judgment, the truth will be manifest including the true interpretation of the Quran. The Imam Mahdi (a) will manifest truth but to a lesser degree then the proof on the day of judgment.

As for upon us it's explanation, this has two possible meanings, it can be Imams (a) explain Quran or it can refer to the fact God will spread it's explanation and clarification through Imam Mahdi (a).

Also, the Quran of Ali (a) has order of the verses revealed along with explanation of the Sunnah giving context to it's revelation. This can be put in program and we can see dynamically how Quran was built over 23 years. So this Quran of Ali (a) seems meant for computer age - or it has it's most convenient way of being read right now.

Imam Mahdi (a) will bring the Quran of Ali (a) and revive the Sunnah and bring Quran to new heights through that.

Also, check hadiths of what al-Baqir means and how it's even in the Torah. The explicit words is not there, but you can derive it from prayer of Musa (a) with "the one God will send" and what Haroun (a) position is as explained by Quran in that regard, and why God wants Musa (a) to pray regarding Haroun (a) instead has a whole theme.

It is said Al-Baqir (a) cleaved the knowledge of the first and last. Now, this to a great degree has been lost especially with the Mongols destroying much of literature of Muslims.

But I believe enough light remains today, but yes, Imam Mahdi (a) will spread that knowledge to the whole world and augment people to new levels of understanding of Quran.

I believe the Quran has a hidden meaning.
Of course this belief can be shown from the Quran and Hadith themselves.

A good Hadith related to that, is, the one the says, verses of Quran have Seven Layers of interpretation. That means, a given verse can mean Seven things. Now consider, many of the verses in the Quran are prophecies, specifically about Day of Resurrection.

A good question, in my opinion is, why Quran is written in such a way that have multiple interpretations?

I believe I discovered the reason.
It is because, according to the wisdom of God, certain things must not be told to mankind too sooner than its appointed time.
Thus, it is said, when Qaim comes He makes the rest of knowledge revealed.

But, if one thinks, that, God could not have preserved Quran perfectly, and the complete Quran was with Imam Ali, and eventually will be with Mahdi, this idea contradicts with Omnipotence of God as it would mean God could not preserve it completely as it was.

Now, a good question is, why there are things in the Quran, that their interpretation was left for the Mahdi?

Here is, what Baha'i Scriptures have the answer for me.
It says, God intended to test mankind with the Qaim. By "testing" is meant, to test their belief and acceptance of God's revelation through the Qaim. Thus, those verses which are the prophecies about the Qaim, are hidden in the dept of the Quran. Those are the verses that needs Taweel, which only the Infallible Imams and the Qaim could have revealed.
But the Imams did not have permission to reveal their interpretation too soon. It was left for the Qaim.

 

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I believe the Quran has a hidden meaning.
Of course this belief can be shown from the Quran and Hadith themselves.

A good Hadith related to that, is, the one the says, verses of Quran have Seven Layers of interpretation. That means, a given verse can mean Seven things. Now consider, many of the verses in the Quran are prophecies, specifically about Day of Resurrection.

A good question, in my opinion is, why Quran is written in such a way that have multiple interpretations?

I believe I discovered the reason.
It is because, according to the wisdom of God, certain things must not be told to mankind too sooner than its appointed time.
Thus, it is said, when Qaim comes He makes the rest of knowledge revealed.

But, if one thinks, that, God could not have preserved Quran perfectly, and the complete Quran was with Imam Ali, and eventually will be with Mahdi, this idea contradicts with Omnipotence of God as it would mean God could not preserve it completely as it was.

Now, a good question is, why there are things in the Quran, that their interpretation was left for the Mahdi?

Here is, what Baha'i Scriptures have the answer for me.
It says, God intended to test mankind with the Qaim. By "testing" is meant, to test their belief and acceptance of God's revelation through the Qaim. Thus, those verses which are the prophecies about the Qaim, are hidden in the dept of the Quran. Those are the verses that needs Taweel, which only the Infallible Imams and the Qaim could have revealed.
But the Imams did not have permission to reveal their interpretation too soon. It was left for the Qaim.

The complete Quran is with us. The Quran was revealed in a way that didn't preserve the order of the verses. Imam Ali (a) kept a commentary that preserved the order.

But the wisdom of Imam Ali (a) preserving the order of it, will be revealed during Imam Mahdi (a) revolution and rule. I believe the computer age makes it easier to manifest the Sunnah because you can put the order in a program and then see how Quran was build dynamically one verse at a time.

 

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A good Hadith related to that, is, the one the says, verses of Quran have Seven Layers of interpretation. That means, a given verse can mean Seven things.

Salam

If I recall the hadith says none of those meanings contradict the apparent meaning of the verse. So while each verse has minimum seven layered meanings, none of those meanings per that same hadith can contradict the apparent meaning of the verse.

I don't think this is true of Bahai type interpretations of the verses.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Salam

If I recall the hadith says none of those meanings contradict the apparent meaning of the verse. So while each verse has minimum seven layered meanings, none of those meanings per that same hadith can contradict the apparent meaning of the verse.

I don't think this is true of Bahai type interpretations of the verses.

The seven layers pf meanings in the Mutishabihat verses, would not contradict apparent meaning of any of the Muhkamaat verses.

Consider the verse 6:122,

أَوَ مَن كَانَ مَیۡتࣰا فَأَحۡیَیۡنَـٰهُ وَجَعَلۡنَا لَهُۥ نُورࣰا یَمۡشِی بِهِۦ فِی ٱلنَّاسِ كَمَن مَّثَلُهُۥ فِی ٱلظُّلُمَـٰتِ لَیۡسَ بِخَارِجࣲ مِّنۡهَاۚ كَذَ ٰلِكَ زُیِّنَ لِلۡكَـٰفِرِینَ مَا كَانُوا۟ یَعۡمَلُونَ


"And is one who was dead and We gave him life and made for him light by which to walk among the people like one who is in darkness, never to emerge therefrom? Thus it has been made pleasing to the disbelievers that which they were doing."

This is a clear verse. It is a Muhkam verse. "The one who was dead", and "We gave him life", clearly tells us, no one was physically Dead, and No one was physically made alive". Clearly it means, spiritually dead was made alive.

And this spiritual life was given through the guidance. Once that person believed, he was resurrected.

It is my belief that, other verses that talks about Resurrection on the Last Day, must not contradict with this verse.

God does not cause confusion, but we could confuse ourselves.

 

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The Hadiths don’t say what you’re saying though. It says none of the 7 meanings contradict the apparent meaning.