What the New Testament says about God is true

[Spice]

The confusion arise when we do not immerse ourselves in all the Words given by God.

The teachings about Reincarnation, would have sound teachings given by a Messengers in the past. After the passing of that Messenger, the beleivers come from different nature and nurture perspectives. Thus teachings born from men's minds slowly but surely change the meaning of the original underlying principles. The Trinity is a more recent example.

Baha'u'llah (and Abdu'l-Baha) explain that any reference to the return of past ages, is that of the spiritual attributes. Thus when Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah, Jesus was saying that the attributes of Elijah returned in John the Baptist, and these attributes (of Elijah) always come first to prepare the way. They also offer the souls of those that have passed, do not return to this existence. Thus Reincarnation as now beleived by many people, is not correct. Baha'u'llah has given to us what were the underlying principles, that were the essence of the original teachings.

Regards Tony

And how does the end of Job come about other than through reincarnation?

And if not from a core belief in reincarnation, where did the question of the disciples in John 9:1-12 come from?

This shows an assumption of belief in reincarnation through several of God's previous age messengers.

That's without going through the connection of God's love and mercy (Mt 20:15) in complete balance with His justice (Mt 5:26)

 

[YoursTrue]

And if not from a core belief in reincarnation, where did the question of the disciples in John 9:1-12 come from?

I looked at John 9:1-12 and don't see anything about reincarnation there, so not sure how you're applying that miraculous event of giving sight to a blind man to reincarnation. Thanks.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And how does the end of Job come about other than through reincarnation?

Job dies?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And if not from a core belief in reincarnation, where did the question of the disciples in John 9:1-12 come from?

This shows an assumption of belief in reincarnation through several of God's previous age messengers.

I see no reincarnation intention in those verses.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Nevertheless, and you are right in that prejudices and hatred build up over time. The Bible, however, says that God will stop all wars. I look forward to that time and I hope you would, too.
Isaiah 2:4: "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more"

The Bible says that wars will cease, but the Bible does not say that God is going stop all wars.
Humans will be the ones who stop all wars.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible says that wars will cease, but the Bible does not say that God is going stop all wars.
Humans will be the ones who stop all wars.

In that scripture it foretells that all wars will cease. Thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible says that wars will cease, but the Bible does not say that God is going stop all wars.
Humans will be the ones who stop all wars.

Yes, the Bible does say that God will put an end to war. That is at Psalm 46 verse 9. You can check it out at www.bible.cc or if you have a Bible. It's there.

 

[ppp]

The Bible says that wars will cease, but the Bible does not say that God is going stop all wars.
Humans will be the ones who stop all wars.

One more reason that gods are superfluous. Humans do the work

 

[Eli G]

Scripture addresses the issue of deceptive global "news" from world leaders about supposed "peace."

Paul, under divine inspiration, tells the Thessalonians:

1 Thess. 5:3 Whenever they proclaim, “Peace and security!” sudden destruction will overtake them, akin to labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or darkness.
6 Therefore, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober.

When human governments are removed, Christ's Kingdom will bring true peace to humanity.

Is. 9:6 For a child has been born to us,
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership will rest on his shoulder.
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 To the increase of his rulership
And to peace, there will be no end,
On the throne of David and on his kingdom
In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it
Through justice and righteousness,
From now on and forever.
The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Humanity cannot experience God's peace while His adversaries live (Is. 48:22).

Dan. 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, 45 just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold. The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, the Bible does say that God will put an end to war. That is at Psalm 46 verse 9. You can check it out at www.bible.cc or if you have a Bible. It's there.

Psalm 46:9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

The verse does not say "God will put an end to war."

The verse says that "God will make wars cease."
The verse does not say how God will make wars cease.

I believe that the way God intended to cause wars to cease was by sending Baha'u'llah, who provided the instructions that humanity will need to put an end to war.

 

[Trailblazer]

One more reason that gods are superfluous. Humans do the work

God is not superfluous because God was needed to send the Messenger with the instructions on how humans are supposed to end war.

 

[Eli G]

The true God, Jehovah, promised to enthrone a descendant of David, from the line of Judah, of Israel through Isaac... not some illegitimate usurper from some other lineage... if anyone refers to the true God and his promises, because there are millions of false and invented gods.

 

[Trailblazer]

When human governments are removed, Christ's Kingdom will bring true peace to humanity.

Is. 9:6 For a child has been born to us,
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership will rest on his shoulder.
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 To the increase of his rulership
And to peace, there will be no end,
On the throne of David and on his kingdom
In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it
Through justice and righteousness,
From now on and forever.
The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

You are free to believe that it will be Christ's Kingdom, but Baha'is believe it will be Baha'u'llah's kingdom.

Baha'is believe that Baha’u’llah was the Prince of Peace and the Lord of hosts and that world peace will be established during His religious dispensation, which will last no less than 1000 years (from 1852 AD).

Please note that the prophecy does not say 'when' peace will be established. It says that it will increase which means it will unfold over time. Where it says there shall be no end to the peace means that the world will become more and more peaceful over time. The same is true for the government. It says that there shall be 'no end' to the government which means it will begin and be established gradually and continue to develop over time. The government will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

Baha’u’llah set up a 'system of government' and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. What we now refer to as Local Spiritual assemblies (LSAs) and will eventually evolve into what will be called Houses of Justice.

Dan. 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, 45 just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold. The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.”

Baha'is believe that verse means that God will set up a kingdom through Baha'u'llah, and that kingdom will never be destroyed.
It will put an end to all other kingdoms and it will last forever.

 

[CG Didymus]

Thus Reincarnation as now beleived by many people, is not correct. Baha'u'llah has given to us what were the underlying principles, that were the essence of the original teachings.

Here's some quotes...

Bhagavad Gita​

“As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.“ Bhagavad-gita 2.13​

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“For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” Bhagavad-gita 2.20​

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“As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.” Bhagavad-gita 2.22​

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“It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.”Bhagavad-gita 2.25​

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After explaining the concept of samsara – the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth – Lord Krishna explains that nobody can escape from being engaged in some kind of activity which traps one to repeated births. But there is a way to escape the samsara to attain moksha. Lord Krishna says, "Not by abstaining from work can one achieve freedom from karma, nor by renunciation alone can one attain perfection" (3:4). It is through nishkama karma - detachment from its fruits - one is freed from the bondage, free from the repeated births. According to Krishna: “Be focused on action and not on the fruits of action. Do not become confused in attachment to the fruit of your actions and do not become confused in the desire for inaction.” (2:47). As a result, Krishna advises Arjuna thus: "Always act with detachment to the fruits of actions. The one who is acting without attachment attains God" (3:19)​

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This does sound like it is talking about reincarnation... And it's supposedly Krishna giving this information. But by what we know is true from the Baha'i Faith, this can't be. This cannot really mean that the soul gets reincarnated into another body. So, what does it really mean?

Or... it is talking about reincarnation but these aren't the real teachings of Krishna.

The confusion arise when we do not immerse ourselves in all the Words given by God.

I assume you're not confused, therefore, you must have "immersed" yourself in all the Words given by God.

So, in that immersing, did you find the point where the Hindus added in reincarnation into the "original" God given teachings?

Oh, and when did they add in all that stuff about many Gods and incarnations into the "original" teachings that say there is only one God and he sends different "manifestations" to teach us?

 

[Eli G]

You are free to believe that it will be Christ's Kingdom,

So are you.

but Baha'is believe it will be Baha'u'llah's kingdom.

Baha'is believe that Baha’u’llah was the Prince of Peace and the Lord of hosts and that world peace will be established during His religious dispensation, which will last no less than 1000 years (from 1852 AD).

BahaUllah is not a descendant of David, so he is NOT that Prince that Jehovah promised.

 

[Trailblazer]

BahaUllah is not a descendant of David, so he is NOT that Prince that Jehovah promised.

Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David.

Baháʼu'lláh was born in Tehran, Iran, on 12 November 1817. Baháʼí authors trace his ancestry to Abraham through both his wives Keturah and Sarah, to the prophet Zoroaster, to King David's father Jesse, and to Yazdigird III, the last king of the Sassanian Empire.
Baháʼu'lláh - Wikipedia

 

[CG Didymus]

One more reason that gods are superfluous. Humans do the work

Ah, but religious people believe they are doing "God's" work.

There's some variation of this...

"The Gods want us to stopping fighting those other people. He says he will reward us greatly in the big wonderful place in the sky if we do. If we don't? You know... It's into the pit with snakes and fire and little creatures with pitchforks. Do you want that? Of course not, the Great One has spoken. Let's us all endeavor to do as he commands."

And was this God ever real? No. But people keep falling for this stuff over and over again.

Like with the Baha'is... "We can have peace. All we have to do is follow God's plan as given to Baha'u'llah and disarm all the nations and learn to love one another.... And obey all the rules that God has told us we must obey."

Then someone asks.... "How do you know this message came from God? Heck, I could have told you we could have peace if we stopped hating each other."

 

[Eli G]

Baha'u'llah was a descendant of David.

Baháʼu'lláh was born in Tehran, Iran, on 12 November 1817. Baháʼí authors trace his ancestry to Abraham through both his wives Keturah and Sarah, to the prophet Zoroaster, to King David's father Jesse, and to Yazdigird III, the last king of the Sassanian Empire.
Baháʼu'lláh - Wikipedia

Do you know the difference between the origin of the Jews and the origin of the Arabs?

 

[ppp]

God is not superfluous because God was needed to send the Messenger with the instructions on how humans are supposed to end war.

Demonstrate without anyone's words that any thing but humans have done anything relevant to human war, ever.

 

[ppp]

h, but religious people believe they are doing "God's" work

That is something they believe