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What to do with the elderly?

Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
It can't have passed the notice of most that the demographic as to ages within a population, especially in the more advanced countries, has swung more in the direction of older members than much else. The successes as to why so many do live longer is mainly down to science and applying this knowledge so as to ensure that more babies survive and most survive longer than previously has happened. But, this does tend to produce problems - as to less people supporting this ageing demographic, when fewer are available to produce and perhaps contribute as to societal needs.

There have been, and are, solutions as to what to do with our ageing citizens, but what are your views as to this - and I doubt any version of Logan's Run would be much appreciated by the elderly, like myself. :oops:

Edit: Given some have taken issue with the title of this thread - don't take such too seriously. :oops: :rolleyes: :p

Some information for any not so versant with the possible issues of an ageing population:

Ageing and health
https://www.parliament.uk/business/...liament-2015/social-change/ageing-population/
Ageing | United Nations
What Are The Long-Term Consequences Of Our Aging Population? It’s All Guesswork
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
The Soylent Corporation has solutions.

But seriously this is a slow moving trainwreck. Some republicans are threatening to eliminate Social Security which would be fatal to many elderly. The fact is our business model has changed over the last 50 years and workers make less, can save less, and the cost of living has gone up, all while the wealthy get richer. The middle class is being squeezed with more costs of living, and as they age what sort of security will they have to cover life costs? Will reverse mortgages mean wealth will be siphoned off from the next generation, and into the bank accounts of corporations? Seems likely.

I think the only solution will be to limit corporate greed and adsjust tax rates so that the wealthy contribute more to our social financial stability. The elderly will require more medical care and that will bleed both Medicare and insurance companies dry. Of course insurance companies will raise rates so that they make their profit margins.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
F1fan said:
The Soylent Corporation has solutions.

But seriously this is a slow moving trainwreck. Some republicans are threatening to eliminate Social Security which would be fatal to many elderly. The fact is our business model has changed over the last 50 years and workers make less, can save less, and the cost of living has gone up, all while the wealthy get richer. The middle class is being squeezed with more costs of living, and as they age what sort of security will they have to cover life costs? Will reverse mortgages mean wealth will be siphoned off from the next generation, and into the bank accounts of corporations? Seems likely.

I think the only solution will be to limit corporate greed and adsjust tax rates so that the wealthy contribute more to our social financial stability. The elderly will require more medical care and that will bleed both Medicare and insurance companies dry. Of course insurance companies will raise rates so that they make their profit margins.
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I was going to go the soylent green route.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
It can't have passed the notice of most that the demographic as to ages within a population, especially in the more advanced countries, has swung more in the direction of older members than much else. The successes as to why so many do live longer is mainly down to science and applying this knowledge so as to ensure that more babies survive and most survive longer than previously has happened. But, this does tend to produce problems - as to less people supporting this ageing demographic, when fewer are available to produce and perhaps contribute as to societal needs.
There have been, and are, solutions as to what to do with our ageing citizens, but what are your views as to this - and I doubt any version of Logan's Run would be much appreciated by the elderly, like myself. :oops:
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In high school (1960's) a teacher drew a three diagonal lines on the black board /// .
The lines ended around the year 2,000.
One / line showed that economists see No end to inflation insight (very expensive 21st century)
One / line showed too many Baby Boomers and Not enough medical personal (Plus No end for Alzheimers in sight)
One / line showed can't depend on Social Security (better invest in some Blue Chip and a new or young company)
Another teacher said the generation that aborts its children will euthanasize its parents.
So, my view is the above is a reason why we are all invited to pray the invitation to God for Jesus to come !
Come and bring ' healing ' to earth's nations as promised at Revelation 22:2.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Mock Turtle said:
It can't have passed the notice of most that the demographic as to ages within a population, especially in the more advanced countries, has swung more in the direction of older members than much else. The successes as to why so many do live longer is mainly down to science and applying this knowledge so as to ensure that more babies survive and most survive longer than previously has happened. But, this does tend to produce problems - as to less people supporting this ageing demographic, when fewer are available to produce and perhaps contribute as to societal needs.

There have been, and are, solutions as to what to do with our ageing citizens, but what are your views as to this - and I doubt any version of Logan's Run would be much appreciated by the elderly, like myself. :oops:
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Speaking as one who will be 69 in August, I have a view on this.

The elderly are not only living longer but they are in better health too. So one measure might be to expect people to provide for themselves and take care of themselves for longer than in the past. We are already seeing this in the drive to raise retirement ages. What we need is for employers to stop trying to get rid of the oldies, which is what they do now. This might involve re-examination of the notion of a monotonic career progression, with perhaps a move to a lower paid and less stressful job at the end, in which skills and experience can be captured and passed on. (I wrote manuals for a while and ran some training courses, to capture what I had learnt for the organisation.)

Another would be to have some form of compulsory care provision, whether through insurance or central taxation, the issue here being that no individual can know whether he or she will stay mentally and physically capable until 75, or until 95. So it looks like an obvious case for pooling risk - which is the basis of insurance. Personally I think central taxation would be the best. If you get the private sector involved, they will start gaming risk and setting premiums on the basis of health checks, the health of ancestors, lifestyle and God knows what, which will create a lottery of winners and losers, thereby negating the objective of pooled risk.
 
JustGeorge

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
Secret Chief said:
The OP question implies an impersonal problem to be dealt with.

What to do with the middle-aged?

What to do with the red-haired?

What to do with the Jews?

Last time I checked, we are all simply people. All different, all the same.
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Sign them all up for RF accounts, too!
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
1. Lower the age of retirement to 60 or even 55 and increase the social security benefits back up to an actual livable amount, to encourage older people to get out of the work force. As this would open up a lot of higher paying jobs for younger people to then move into. And as they make more money, they pay more into the system. Also, the younger and lower wage workers move up to take the middle aged workers jobs, forcing employers to pay higher wages across the board. Again, increasing the money being paid into the system.
2. Cap the amount of wealth ANY citizens can amass. Once we reach that number, the tax is 100%. Meaning that if we keep working, we're working for nothing, Time to cash out and let someone else chase after that big pot-o-gold. No more chasing greed for greed's sake. Let's say 300 million, and that's it. That's all you are allowed to have amassed, and keep. Acquire anything more than that and it's taken away and spent back into the system. That alone would cover the cost of an earlier retirement age with a livable pay out.
3. Create and encourage low paying easy community service jobs for those retirees that wish to keep active, and want to earn a little extra money doing so.

The capitalists want us all to work until we drop so long as they can get rich off our labor. They don't want to train anyone new. They don't want us to take our considerable skills off into retirement land. They don't want to have to pay more to entice someone else to take our place. And the politicians don't want us to retire because they keep stealing our social security money and never paying it back. But the solution is not for us to work longer. The solution is the get more of us oldsters OUT of the work force so the younger folks can move up and take over. Fewer workers means better pay. No billionaires means the money gets spread around far more effectively. And there is plenty for a livable retirement at 55.
 
Apostle John

Apostle John

“Go ahead, look up Revelation 6”
I haven’t read any of this thread but was struck by the op’s under title “hey God what’s gone wrong”. Nothing’s gone wrong, if you’re a Christian it’s all going to plan.
 
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