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What tools or mediums does God use to create the universe?

osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
dybmh said:
Now you're way-way beyond me. Can you bring it down to my level a little bit? For me, the never ending workload is amazing, of course. But also nothing for God according to the way it is described.

I don't know anything about mattter/anti-matter. Nor thermodynamic equilibrium. Maybe I need to research them first in order too understand what you mean? Can you give me a hint, or a little more of the connection you're making?
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Sorry, just things I've heard mentioned in science videos, books.

Matter and antimatter cancel each other out, and annihilate each other. So scientists don't know why we have more matter than antimatter. That's as far as I can go with that.

home.cern

The matter-antimatter asymmetry problem

home.cern home.cern

If biochemical life reaches thermodynamic equilibrium it's dead. Life stays far from this equilibrium.

Thermodynamics and Life

saylordotorg.github.io
 
dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
osgart said:
Sorry, just things I've heard mentioned in science videos, books.

Matter and antimatter cancel each other out, and annihilate each other. So scientists don't know why we have more matter than antimatter. That's as far as I can go with that.

home.cern

The matter-antimatter asymmetry problem

home.cern home.cern

If biochemical life reaches thermodynamic equilibrium it's dead. Life stays far from this equilibrium.

Thermodynamics and Life

saylordotorg.github.io
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Ahhhh. I think I understand what you were saying. Were you saying that these equilibriums are somehow being "held at bay"? Or restrained? And that fits with the idea of ongoing creation? In theory, not proof, just as a fun idea to consider?
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
dybmh said:
Ahhhh. I think I understand what you were saying. Were you saying that these equilibriums are somehow being "held at bay"? Or restrained? And that fits with the idea of ongoing creation? In theory, not proof, just as a fun idea to consider?
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It's fun to consider. I tend to think there are ongoing processes where physical reasons govern our existence, as well as information reasons that keep our existence surviving.

Perhaps antimatter is a type of negation and the antimatter/matter amounts are just right for our type of existence.

Things will move naturally towards equilibrium. Yet nature processes are very efficient at resisting this non existence.

It seems as though our existence is highly resistant to being nothing interesting and perhaps non existent.
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
dybmh said:
The good news about being an adult is I would expect you would have the maturity andd grace to accept this limitation and simply move on, no hard feelings.
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The truth is out there ... but modern cosmology is not found in the Tanakh nor would anyone expect it to be. In antiquity there was no concept of heliocentry, gravity, planets, orbits, deep space, stars, galaxies and so on.

I set out the bible quotes describing the bible's cosmology >in an earlier post<. I haven't noticed them contradicted anywhere.
 
IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
blü 2 said:
The truth is out there ... but modern cosmology is not found in the Tanakh nor would anyone expect it to be. In antiquity there was no concept of heliocentry, gravity, planets, orbits, deep space, stars, galaxies and so on.

I set out the bible quotes describing the bible's cosmology >in an earlier post<. I haven't noticed them contradicted anywhere.
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What does the Bible have to do with cosmology? The Bible is not a science text.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
osgart said:
Perhaps antimatter is a type of negation and the antimatter/matter amounts are just right for our type of existence.
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Anti matter particles are travelling backwards in time, according to the laws of physics. So a positron (or anti electron) is mathematically indistinguishable from an electron, travelling forwards in time. They are the same particle, just travelling in opposite directions through the dimension of time.
 
dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
blü 2 said:
The truth is out there ...
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I don't see it that way, unless by "truth" you mean an ongoing process of new discoveries.

blü 2 said:
but modern cosmology is not found in the Tanakh nor would anyone expect it to be.
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Not found in? It doesn't need to include each and every detail, nor should one expect it from a hand written scroll of that vintage. If that is the objection: "unless every detail is included then none of it is valid" then that objection is foolish. And I am happy to exclude those making that objection from religious discussions.

blü 2 said:
In antiquity there was no concept of heliocentry, gravity, planets, orbits, deep space, stars, galaxies and so on.
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That is an assumption.

blü 2 said:
I set out the bible quotes describing the bible's cosmology >in an earlier post<. I haven't noticed them contradicted anywhere.
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I'll go take a look.

Although, in the past, you have repeatedly absolutely refused to consider that the Hebrew text contains detail missing from the english. If this is still your position, then AT BEST you are describing the cosmology of a translator, nothing more.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
dybmh said:
Not found in? It doesn't need to include each and every detail, nor should one expect it from a hand written scroll of that vintage. If that is the objection: "unless every detail is included then none of it is valid" then that objection is foolish. And I am happy to exclude those making that objection from religious discussions.
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One cannot be an authority on something for which one has no data.
 
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Little Dragon

Well-Known Member
blü 2 said:
The truth is out there ... but modern cosmology is not found in the Tanakh nor would anyone expect it to be.
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Not in any holy book or scroll. Holy texts tell men and women how they should live, not what they live in. That is the reserve of the scientific method, the objective testable falsifiable provable means of inquiry. Prophets and wise men and philosophers are and were limited by their assumptions, arising from their subjective, parochial, limited, human, animal, senses learning and experiences.
With knowledge, comes greater understanding. Knowledge in this context, information that is both testable and tested.
 
dybmh

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Little Dragon said:
It is insufficient data. It is data that is unreliable and or open to interpretation and or lacking in specific details and or observationally/experimentally un-testable.
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One would need to know what it says first, then compare that to what is known to make that sort of assertion.
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Little Dragon said:
Not in any holy book or scroll. Holy texts tell men and women how they should live, not what they live in. That is the reserve of the scientific method, the objective testable falsifiable provable means of inquiry. Prophets and wise men and philosophers are and were limited by their assumptions, arising from their subjective, parochial, limited, human, animal, senses learning and experiences.
With knowledge, comes greater understanding. Knowledge in this context, information that is both testable and tested.
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Yes, we're all products of our genes, our times and our places.
 
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Frank Goad

Well-Known Member
syo said:
brahman.
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  • Para Brahman (Hinduism) like here?: Omnipotence
  • God (Abrahamic Religions) here is what I take faith in.
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