What verifiable evidence is there that god exists?

[nPeace]

I see that @Bob the Unbeliever has beaten me to it and provided extensive links. I did come across this recently, which is about genetic evidence: Genesis and the Genome (pdf).

The discovery of the mutated gene for producing egg yoke, found in the human genome in exactly the same place as in the chicken genome, was particularly striking. Also the way in which deactivating mutations in multiple olfactory receptor genes can independently identify the relationship between humans, chimpanzees, and gorillas, that had been deduced from other evidence.

Okay. We already established that both Christians and evolutionists speak of evidence. Did I not say that?
Have they proven anything?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well the Judeo-Christian deity is an intervening deity who's heavily invested in human affairs so there should be detectable effects. Wouldn't healings, personal experiences, visions etc be examples of detectable effects?

I find for the 'first century' with Jesus and his apostles there were healings, resurrections, visions, etc. but once the apostles died off the scene such things came to a stop as per what Luke wrote at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
Now the ' detectable effects ' are these last days of badness as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
There it describes the selfish distorted form of love the world now displays which is in sharp contrast to the definition of godly love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6.

Also, an example of a 'detectable effect' is the international global proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
This proclaiming is being done world wide just as Jesus said it would be done at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Nothing nor anything can stop that noticible effect going on earth wide.
Even modern technology has made the 'detectable effect' of rapid Bible translation possible so that people even in remote areas can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages thus helping to fullfill Jesus' words.

Because man can't establish Peace on Earth is why God will involve Himself intervening into mankind's affairs by having Jesus, as Prince of Peace, be the one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
Then, we will see ' healing ' for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2.
This coming 'healing' is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Could we focus upon the initiation of our Universe or what might lay beyond it........ could we do that?
Do you think that this initiation was activated or triggered by something, or somehow, ....? Was there a reason or a cause for or of it?
Thankyou.....

I find Psalms 104:30 answers that cause by saying that when God sends forth His spirit then there is creation.......
God's love that we should have life is the reason.
God's ' power and strength ' activated or triggered what's called the BIG Bang as per Isaiah 40:26.
So, God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy which initiated material creation.
As far as what lays beyond that will be answered by the end of Jesus' coming 1,000 year reign over Earth

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you are referring to inferential proof, then there is proof of God.
I was not referring to inferred proof.

What is this supposed "inferential proof" of God? I doubt if you have that either.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yet... neither you nor anyone else can muster up a single example of this so-called "evidence". Here, you had a chance to mention it, or post a link or something.
Did you? Absolutely not! You divert into some silly conspiracy bologna than no sane person would take seriously, if they thought about it without preconceived ideas.

Bible people are everywhere on Earth is evidence, as the Bible is tangible evidence.
There is No way humans on their own can get together to spread the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Meaning No way possible without divine backing. That proclaiming about Matthew 24:14 even bridges languages.
I can post a link which is found at www.jw.org

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not asking for scientific facts, and scientific theories. Thanks.
Would you like me to pull up a dictionary on theory, so you can say evolution is not a theory in that sense, but a different theory?

You do not seem to understand what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is a concept that has been repeatedly tested and confirmed. It is not a "theory" in the lay sense. Though there is no hierarchy in the sciences if there was one theories would be at the top above laws. Theories have replaced laws. They never become laws. A theory can be "better" than a law since it has more explanatory power and will cover more situations. For example Einstein's general relativity is a theory of gravity. It answers questions correctly the Newton's "Law" got wrong.

And if you think that anyone convicted of a crime in a trial deserved a guilty sentence then by the same criteria you should accept the theory of evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Bible people are everywhere on Earth is evidence, as the Bible is tangible evidence.
There is No way humans on their own can get together to spread the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Meaning No way possible without divine backing. That proclaiming about Matthew 24:14 even bridges languages.
I can post a link which is found at www.jw.org

Sorry, but your "no way" is an argument from ignorance. A logical fallacy. You in essence have shown that you have no evidence.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Granted but what about those that report healings instantly and miraculously due to prayer? Surely they're not all lying?

There are some diseases that do take care of themselves stumping doctors. That does Not have to mean miraculous.
Those so-called ' healings ' have never been about replacing a limb or a hand, Not even curing baldness.
Satan does transform himself as an angel of light, but upon examination that 'light' is just a mirage.

 

[nPeace]

What is this supposed "inferential proof" of God? I doubt if you have that either.

It was given too often to need being repeated.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We can ask "why does the universe exist?" or "why this universe and not another, or nothing at all?"
If we postulate a creator god, we just end up with: "why does god exist?" or "why this god and not another, or nothing at all?"

I find first of all that the God of the Bible created the invisible spirit realm of existence aka heaven.
Then, God expanded His creation business to include the visible material realm of existence.
Out of God's 'Love of Life' is why the material universe exists besides the invisible heavenly realm.
Can't be another God because the God of the Bible is The Creator as per Revelation 4:11.
Creator is singular, there is No other creator.

 

[nPeace]

You do not seem to understand what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory is a concept that has been repeatedly tested and confirmed. It is not a "theory" in the lay sense. Though there is no hierarchy in the sciences if there was one theories would be at the top above laws. Theories have replaced laws. They never become laws. A theory can be "better" than a law since it has more explanatory power and will cover more situations. For example Einstein's general relativity is a theory of gravity. It answers questions correctly the Newton's "Law" got wrong.

And if you think that anyone convicted of a crime in a trial deserved a guilty sentence then by the same criteria you should accept the theory of evolution.

You don't need to tell me what i have already read for myself. If you assume that I can't even understand what I read from an article elsewhere, why do you think I will understand because you post it?

 

[WalterTrull]

Why wouldn't you assume that there's an objectuve reality? Where else would God exist if not for an objectively real space that's independent of subjective human cognition?

Aaaaagghhh! Holy Toledo. Boy did my point get lost.

 

[Jos]

Aaaaagghhh! Holy Toledo. Boy did my point get lost.

So what is your point?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was given too often to need being repeated.

I have never seen it. More likely it was refuted too often to need being repeated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't need to tell me what i have already read for myself. If you assume that I can't even understand what I read from an article elsewhere, why do you think I will understand because you post it?

You can ask questions and learn where you went wrong here. That is not so easy to do with an article.

 

[ratiocinator]

We can ask "why does the universe exist?" or "why this universe and not another, or nothing at all?"

If we postulate a creator god, we just end up with: "why does god exist?" or "why this god and not another, or nothing at all?

I find first of all that the God of the Bible created the invisible spirit realm of existence aka heaven.
Then, God expanded His creation business to include the visible material realm of existence.
Out of God's 'Love of Life' is why the material universe exists besides the invisible heavenly realm.
Can't be another God because the God of the Bible is The Creator as per Revelation 4:11.
Creator is singular, there is No other creator.

See: begging the question.

 

[JJ50]

If crazy, then how do you explain, as with the rest of Scripture, Revelation has corresponding verses or passages.
Those who research Revelation know that ties in with what the prophet Daniel wrote.
So, if one thinks Revelation is crazy then one must also think Daniel is crazy, and so forth......
Wow, some people are going to be in for quite a shock when Revelation 19:14-16; Isaiah 11:3-4 comes to pass !

Yeh right!

 

[ratiocinator]

Ok, so you don't know the answers to me questions, but if you research the Law of Cause and Effect that can help a bit, I think. Here, I'll copy an idea about it here for you from Google:-
The law of cause and effect states that: Every effect has a specific and predictable cause. Every cause or action has a specific and predictable effect. This means that everything that we currently have in our lives is an effect that is a result of a specific cause.

Quantum mechanics complicates things, as does general relativity when we talk about the big bang. Even if they didn't, we wouldn't know if it applied to the universe as a whole, not least because time is part of the universe.

I just want anybody to give me a straight answer Yes or NO to the question: Was the Big Bang caused or initiated in some way, is all. And you have not answered.

I did, actually, and I still don't know - and neither does anybody else.

There is no shortage of hypotheses and I could post a few if you want. I was rather taken with Conformal Cyclic Cosmology as proposed by Roger Penrose but that's just because it's a quirky and original take on the problem.

 

[JJ50]

Bible people are everywhere on Earth is evidence, as the Bible is tangible evidence.
There is No way humans on their own can get together to spread the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Meaning No way possible without divine backing. That proclaiming about Matthew 24:14 even bridges languages.
I can post a link which is found at www.jw.org

Anything spouted by the JW bunch is not worth considering for one second.

 

[oldbadger]

I find Psalms 104:30 answers that cause by saying that when God sends forth His spirit then there is creation.......
God's love that we should have life is the reason.
God's ' power and strength ' activated or triggered what's called the BIG Bang as per Isaiah 40:26.
So, God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy which initiated material creation.
As far as what lays beyond that will be answered by the end of Jesus' coming 1,000 year reign over Earth

Fair enough, and thankyou for your clear reply.
Acknowledged.

I look forward to other views.......... if any.