Brian2
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Should we be grateful to the serpent? Is ingratitude to the serpent what has led to the evil we have in the world?
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What was the first sin ever committed ?
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Should we be grateful to the serpent? Is ingratitude to the serpent what has led to the evil we have in the world?
Brian2
Veteran Member
You would need to ask God that question? They probably have their purpose.
Heyo
Veteran Member
And some have read the scripture. According to that, Lucifer had a problem with authority, he refused to serve. "Non serviam" is his sin, i.e. disobedience. Other realm, same story.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
See post #51
Brian2
Veteran Member
From this site: What Is Sin? Definition and Bible Understanding).
In the Bible, sin is described as a transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4) and rebellion against God (Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18).
Heyo
Veteran Member
Nope, not an assumption, but a conclusion.
It is. If there was a coherent concept, it would have spread.
What we can observe, is that people don't agree on a concept of god(s), not even those in the same religion or denomination. That makes it an objective evaluation.
Brian2
Veteran Member
We are told by Jesus whom the serpent is.
Sure we are to overcome temptation but the one who brought the flood of temptations onto humanity is satan, the serpent. Adam and Eve were not ready to know about good and evil and be tempted by it on every side and neither are we.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
I haven’t heard that Lucifer and Jesus had a beef I thought it was because God told Lucifer to kneel before man, His new creation or something to that effect.
McBell
Unbound
Here is one source for the Lucifer/Jesus "beef"..
When Did Satan's Fall Occur?
Did Satan's apostasy and expulsion from heaven take place before our world was created?
www.ministrymagazine.org
stvdv
Veteran Member
You are free to believe that
not
You seem to believe that internet is God or ...
And that proves? Nada
Yes, so what
Not at all
Heyo
Veteran Member
People have believed in gods for at least 5,000 years. And whenever they encountered someone else with a different god concept, they have killed each other. They had 5000 years without internet to settle their differences in a debate - but they didn't, because they couldn't.
OK, so we do agree on the data, at least something. What is your hypothesis that explains the facts? That only your god concept is right and everybody else got it wrong? Why isn't your god concept convincing?
What is your god concept? I don't have any, so I'm an unbiased observer, I will only point out inconsistencies.
Where exactly does the bible say that?
"Experiencing God" is not the same thing as God appearing, or acting. All the purported incidences of people experiencing God are references to purely mental events of theirs. When I say 'appear' I mean appear in public, in front of the cameras, as a real entity instead of an idea or notion generated internally by someone's brain.
It isn't as if at different times in the past I haven't tried with complete honesty and openness.
But I object to the idea that the experiencer has to invent the apparent agent of the experience and label it God. Why doesn't God appear to Buddhists, to Hindus, to atheists,? Why doesn't God have a weekly segment on national TV or at least make spot appearances on Colbert?
I have no intention of making this any sort of personal attack on you. But this is a debate forum, where one can make one's point plainly and defend it if necessary.
Ok, I think that is a good point. Although I think sin is to reject God, or to be without God. And I think that was also the sin of Lucifer, and pride was just one sign of that.
Brian2
Veteran Member
I suppose it is hard to tell when the war broke out in heaven and when Satan and his angels were kicked out (Rev 12) However the serpent is punished for what he did in the garden and so would have done something against the will of God. But God is very patient and it can be seen in the Bible that He does not condemn completely initially, but allows people and I guess angels, to either repent or show their true colours before condemning them.
Thanks ... love the picture of the apple.
I've seen better.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
But Satan, like Jesus, can do nothing without the Father. See the book of Job.
The first sin? Painting the outside of the cave to match the interior - which was painted white so as to shed more light on things - but such just ruined the neighbourhood. 
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
All we know about early (pre)history of man is only from archeological evidence. Everything else is myth. We don't have evidence of the first sin so we can only speculate what happened.
Oldest known sin is maybe this:
In a cave in northern Spain, archeological detectives discovered the remains of a 430,000-year-old skull bearing what appears to be lethal, deliberately inflicted blunt force trauma. If the scientists' interpretation of the wound is accurate, the skull represents the earliest known murder.
www.smithsonianmag.com
Oldest known sin is maybe this:
In a cave in northern Spain, archeological detectives discovered the remains of a 430,000-year-old skull bearing what appears to be lethal, deliberately inflicted blunt force trauma. If the scientists' interpretation of the wound is accurate, the skull represents the earliest known murder.
Investigating the Case of the Earliest Known Murder Victim
A 430,000-year-old skull discovered in a Spanish cave bears evidence of deliberate, lethal blunt force trauma