What will happen

[Spirit of Light]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

 

[Shantanu]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

One must strive to be infallible in ones actions no matter what the situation is or one will suffer in the mind and that will cause not only ill health but also prevent one from moving forward in life in a cool way knowing that nothing can affect us any more. When one does this that is the only right or wrong deed that there is. There is no morality involved; just doing the right thing to survive with peace of mind that the source of suffering is now over, and we can begin life afresh. Each moment is a new beginning in life. That is all that matters; so one should not worry about karma at all because that worry is the source of more suffering. One gets inspiration to become infallible in ones deeds through meditation on the divine.

 

[SalixIncendium]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

In my view, we are all victims of causality. When we act adharmically, it takes more, in my opinion, than understanding the wrong action, but taking action by doing our best to reverse the effects of that action.

When one is washing whites, and it is realized one has dropped a red sock in the washer, it would be wise to remove the sock immediately at that moment of realization. If one realizes s/he has dropped the red sock in with the whites and makes a commitment to not do it again, but does remove the red sock when one realizes what they've done, all of one's whites will be pink.

Everything comes out in the wash.

 

[PureX]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

It's not really about doing wrong deeds, it's about the selfishness within us that inspires us to do them. If that selfishness remains, even though we refrain from acting on it, we have not changed, nor have we been healed, spiritually.

 

[Shantanu]

It's not really about doing wrong deeds, it's about the selfishness within us that inspires us to do them. If that selfishness remains, even though we refrain from acting on it, we have not changed, nor have we been healed, spiritually.

By selfishness do you mean ego?

 

[ChristineM]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

Yes, i have a thought.

Right and wrong is not a spiritual thing but a human (to some extent mammalian) thing. The ability to judge oneself as doing right or doing wrong (morality) accounted for early humans trusting each other enough to form civilisations.

If a human did/does wrong, depending on he severity of that wrong will decide the outcome.

A minor wrong should cause a personal feeling of guilt, maybe some slight censure from the wrongdoers peers.

More serious and reparation of some sort would help alleviate the wrongdoing.

Most serious would result in expulsion or even death. Today laws are in place to facilitate the censure, reparation, imprisonment rather than expulsion. In some jurisdictions a death penalty can be imposed.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, i have a thought.

Right and wrong is not a spiritual thing but a human (to some extent mammalian) thing. The ability to judge oneself as doing right or doing wrong (morality) accounted for early humans trusting each other enough to form civilisations.

If a human did/does wrong, depending on he severity of that wrong will decide the outcome.

A minor wrong should cause a personal feeling of guilt, maybe some slight censure from the wrongdoers peers.

More serious and reparation of some sort would help alleviate the wrongdoing.

Most serious would result in expulsion or even death. Today laws are in place to facilitate the censure, reparation, imprisonment rather than expulsion. In some jurisdictions a death penalty can be imposed.

Why would it be right for one person to take life of an other person? normally we would say it is not right to kill someone, But why is it ok to kill someone when it is the government who do it? The Man or Woman who perform the execustion, is that not killing an other human being? How can a human being put oneself above an other and say, i am allowed to kill you, when the one who get killed is the one who is seen as the bad person?
I am 100% against death penalty

 

[ChristineM]

Why would it be right for one person to take life of an other person? normally we would say it is not right to kill someone, But why is it ok to kill someone when it is the government who do it? The Man or Woman who perform the execustion, is that not killing an other human being? How can a human being put oneself above an other and say, i am allowed to kill you, when the one who get killed is the one who is seen as the bad person?
I am 100% against death penalty

I did state "in some jurisdictions". It is not my view, i believe it to be totally wrong, inhuman and immoral. My view does not change the law in those countries and states that still employ executioners.

As to why, the desire for ultimate revenge is strong in some people and of course many religious books advocate the 'eye for an eye' policy.

 

[Shantanu]

Why would it be right for one person to take life of an other person? normally we would say it is not right to kill someone, But why is it ok to kill someone when it is the government who do it? The Man or Woman who perform the execustion, is that not killing an other human being? How can a human being put oneself above an other and say, i am allowed to kill you, when the one who get killed is the one who is seen as the bad person?
I am 100% against death penalty

See I have taken myself of the Buddhism path altogether now: I am not for or against anything.

 

[sayak83]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

I usually do a daytime fast and spend the day on reflection.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I usually do a daytime fast and spend the day on reflection.

Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose? Is this a form of Prayascitta?

 

[pearl]

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action.

I would agree with this. Which path we take ultimately defines who we have become.

 

[Earthling]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

It's a practical process. You reap what you sow. When you fall you get back up. You learn from your mistakes. I think the Abrahamic religiosity tends to create an impractical superstitious fear because as the original teachings were distorted they lost their meaning.

You want to behave because some bearded man in the sky or fanatical prophet told you to. Well, there's a great deal more to it than that. Our creator doesn't get anything out of our worship and praise except for possibly to see us be the best we can possibly be. In doing good we strive to do that but under the current conditions of inherited sin we can't achieve maximum potential.

It's a very practical concept. A great deal different than "Oh, I said a 'bad' word when I got angry, hope I don't get struck by lightning!"

I grew up with some religious kids whose parents used to teach their children that one day there would be a black storm and an angry God would destroy every kid who was bad, and of course, they were also taught that they were bad. That's bull**** that's meant to keep them in line. As they grew they probably figured out it is bull**** but used it on their kids anyway, then generation after generation live according to this nonsense. That isn't practical.

 

[WalterTrull]

Walk into a wall - get bruised. Step off a tall building - somewhat worse. There are signs - "Don't walk into this wall!" and "Don't step off here." We tend to not read the signs.

 

[sayak83]

Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose? Is this a form of Prayascitta?

I have observed from experience that it improves clarity of my thoughts and my moral and spiritual vision.

 

[Nakosis]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

I believe everyone does what they feel is right for them to do at the moment they are doing it.Other people may see it as wrong. They may even see it wrong at a later time now knowing the consequences of their action, but at the time, future consequences unknown, they did what they felt was right for them to do at that moment.

So people do what they do because they at the time believe, feel, think it is the right thing for them to do.

The conscious judgement of these actions is all an illusion. It's meaningless commentary that debated through mental machinations all after the fact. None of it able to change the fact that at the moment of action that individual thought at that time this was the right course of action for them to take.

So IMO no sense in feeling guilty about it because with the same knowledge information at the time you would always take the exact same action.

However going forward, armed with the knowledge of whatever consequences occurred as a result at the last actions one will do what they feel is right to do the next time a choice is made.

So right thought, right action is not about wrong doing, it's using this additional information that has been shown to successfully limit bad consequences when one chooses their next right action.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

In all spiritual practice learning to not do wrong deed, it is part of the teaching, But ofcourse as practitioners we do wrong from time to time. But what happens when we do wrong deed? We will suffer in one way or the other, right?

In my understanding, as long we understand our fault and do not do them again we are on the path of right action. But if we do wrong and think "well i did wrong but who care" then we are on the wrong path of action,
Same is for speech and thought too.

Do you have any thought on this?

How do we decide what action is wrong, and what action is right? How do we know what thoughts and speeches are wrong or right?
Is there a standard that determines right and wrong for us?
Do people agree on what is right or wrong or each have a different idea?
Who gets to determine what is wrong or right?
As a Buddhist, do you believe Buddha gets to determine wrong from right?
But Buddha is not here to tell you. His own writings are not available either, and what proof and guarantee is there that, the words attributed to Buddha are indeed His words, and nothing was changed or added to them by ordinary people who were not enlightened?
I guess, I am trying to point out the problems I have with the following the current Buddhism paths which in fact is not just one path.

 

[Spirit of Light]

How do we decide what action is wrong, and what action is right? How do we know what thoughts and speeches are wrong or right?
Is there a standard that determines right and wrong for us?
Do people agree on what is right or wrong or each have a different idea?
Who gets to determine what is wrong or right?
As a Buddhist, do you believe Buddha gets to determine wrong from right?

I would say that if one follow a religious teaching it is teaching of what is right and wrong action within all religious teachings. And ofcourse Moral is also in it

 

[Twilight Hue]

A wise Buddhist told me once...


**** Happens

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I would say that if one follow a religious teaching it is teaching of what is right and wrong action within all religious teachings. And ofcourse Moral is also in it

What proof is there that what a particular religion teach (say Buddhism) as right or wrong, are indeed right or wrong? How do we know.
I understand that religions claim that, but my question is, how can we determine if their claim is valid? I agree with Morality, but again, who gets to define moral codes? Let me ask as an example. Some believe homosexuality is not moral. Some believe it is fine. Some believe sex outside marriage is not moral. Some say, that is moral and ok. Etc. Etc. Who gets to judge and determine?