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What will the return of Jesus really Change?

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Awoon

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nash8 said:
I'm already here, has anything changed in you opinion? :shrug:



He appeared at my house last night, brought good beer and good looking prostitutes, he's an swell guy if you ask me. A little rough with the hookers though. :D
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What is his name?
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

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Premium Member
Awoon said:
To whom does any God appear to today?
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Franklin's point wasn't about the people of the primitive past seeing God, but rather how when they did they interpreted him. He said specifically, "To the primitive man of War God appeared to them as a warrior. To the men of philosophy God appeared as Wisdom. To those who sought love between the conflicts, God appeared." The point is about how we interpret our experiences or encounters with God, and his point is an excellent one.

To answer your question to whom does he appear today, everyone really. It's not a question of who does God appear to, but more a matter of who sees God and who does not. God "appears to" me all the time. But it's not a matter of some entity peaking out from behind some cloud and saying "Boo, hey it's me! God!". It's more a matter of pulling back the curtain to see what is there all the time. We are the ones holding that curtain rod. Not God.

I encounter God everyday. I experience God in subtle and profound ways, in the mundane and in brilliant illuminations, in presence and peace, in gentleness and in infinite depth and power. It is only a matter of my receding from this in self-contraction, or allowing in open mind and soul. It is not some entity out there hiding his face from us, but us hiding ours from what is.

Now to Franklin's point, those who have such state experiences will typically then afterward interpret them within the framework of their cultural contexts with their linguistic frameworks (symbol sets), and through their current developmental stage. A child of 8 will interpret an encounter of God as "The clouds smiling upon me". The adult tribal warrior will interpret this as their deity affirming his support of his tribe of "chosen ones". The philosopher poet will likewise interpret God in more universal terms. The mystic sage will interpret God as a force within all that exists. It really becomes a matter of what sort of frameworks allow the experience of the Infinite to fit within. Everyone enters into that awareness, but not everyone subsequently is able to speak of it in the same frameworks of reference. It transcends all frameworks of reference.

So who does today? Same as before. Everyone.
 
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InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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Awoon said:
Will anything change in the World?:shrug:
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Theologically every progress in the World has its Source in Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what brings the Bounty to this World from an invisible World.
In Chapter of Revelation it is written at the time of return He is making everything new.
By this is meant that a New Earth would appear in a sense that People would have a completely way of life and a New human Civilization would come to existance by the Power of Holy Spirit.
Baha'u'llah Who in Baha'i View is the return of Christ appeared just about 160 years ago, and when He appeared, indeed a new Civilization of humanity also appeared.
By a new human civilization is meant what we witness in this new age in terms of all new technologies, Sciences, and social and economic systems, which are All new comparing to what people of the past had. Therefore in Baha'i View this promise is Fulfilled.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
Windwalker said:
Then why do we need a rule of iron rod to fix this? How do you imagine an "iron rod" rule different than this? And if not different, then why replace this with it? Please explain.
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To be honest, I don't see the Iron Rod being much different, other than applying to rules of the Torah, (including execution and flogging for offenders) however I do believe there would be a Sanhedrin of "Judges" as commanded, to be brought before, and a repentance period for offenses that aren't as grave as others. There would also be legitimate prophets who would be able to help the authorities discern exactly what to do. The exact meaning is that the True Disciples, the True Church who obey the Commandments of God, will be the ones in charge, and they will have authority to lay the smack down where need be.

Personally I'd rather be flogged than spend 10 years in a cage with Bruno. May I never have to be tested on anything like this.
 
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ResistETIntervention

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Shermana said:
The "believers" would reject Jesus and think he's the Antichrist if he arrived in the flesh and taught the same things he taught when he first arrived.
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In a way, yes. In fact, the one claiming to be Jesus will be the one prepared by the ET Intervention that will exploit the fact that many people in the world are anticipating his Second Coming. This is the very topic this thread is about: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ming-jesus-extraterrestrial-intervention.html
 
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foxfacts

New Member
Awoon said:
Will anything change in the World?:shrug:
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The Earth will be turned into a paradise and we will live forever upon it, just like the garden of Eden was until Adam sinned and was thrown out so he brought death into the world and that's why we die because we inherited sin from Adam and Eve. Romans 5:12,19, :yes: check your scriptures. Gods purpose has not changed from the beginning till now.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
foxfacts said:
The Earth will be turned into a paradise and we will live forever upon it, just like the garden of Eden was until Adam sinned and was thrown out so he brought death into the world and that's why we die because we inherited sin from Adam and Eve. Romans 5:12,19, :yes: check your scriptures. Gods purpose has not changed from the beginning till now.
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What do you think will specifically be happening and changing so that the Earth becomes a paradise?
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Shermana said:
To be honest, I don't see the Iron Rod being much different, other than applying to rules of the Torah, (including execution and flogging for offenders) however I do believe there would be a Sanhedrin of "Judges" as commanded, to be brought before, and a repentance period for offenses that aren't as grave as others.
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So in other words, our system of government is the same with the exception that we don't whip people's backs open in town square, or chop their heads off, hang them, stone them to death, burn them alive, etc., for not following a religious interpretation. Wait, we did that too not too long ago, such as in Salem, Mass.

So why not just get rid of secular governments and bring back the rule of the Church in trying heretics? Let's bring back the Inquisition. This is what you are saying above, isn't it?

Shermana said:
There would also be legitimate prophets who would be able to help the authorities discern exactly what to do.
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Sounds exactly like the Inquisition with the priests helping the secular authorities who executed the law discern exactly what to do to purify the souls of offenders and to keep a godly civil order. Doesn't it?

Shermana said:
The exact meaning is that the True Disciples, the True Church who obey the Commandments of God, will be the ones in charge, and they will have authority to lay the smack down where need be.
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Which is of course precisely the model of government during the Inquisition.

Shermana said:
Personally I'd rather be flogged than spend 10 years in a cage with Bruno. May I never have to be tested on anything like this.
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Well then, if you believe that "punishment" actually reforms people (which it does not), then our current system of government incarcerating you is far more of a deterrent than a simple flogging. You have just stated this is true. Why would you wish to replace it for a "softer" version that is less effective?

Have you ever looked at what it is inside of you that you wish to impose upon others through your image of God?
 
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