What Will We Carry Into the Afterlife?

[The Anointed]

At death the body is "dead" but the soul is free from the body now becoming a spirit. Death is not real, it is nothing, has no power, and totally impossible. And energy is neither created nor destroyed, it only transforms into a finite amount of things, like a human becoming an angel.

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This body that you see---it isn’t really me
It’s but the womb in which I’m being formed
For I am spirit—I am mind
And it’s the only place you’ll find
WHO I AM, until the day I’m finally born.
For I will not be free, until this body that you see
Has returned to the dust from whence it came
It’s then that I’ll be born from this womb in which I’m formed
To continue on in life’s eternal game. The Anointed.

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord's face.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the one who was anointed as the successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation: CHRIST=The anointed one]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a oneyear old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the ANOINTED one, who was taken to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation at the age of 365 is the unblemished Lamb of God.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron"s twin, is in fact Elijah"s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "The lesser YHVH" (The Son of God) resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness.

 

[Trailblazer]

Correct there is life in the body and the death of that body, but those who have lived GOOD LIVES find peace and rest in death. All have sinned and all must die once and go off into judgement. What is it, that goes off to be judged? certainly not the body that has decomposed and returned to the elements from which it was created, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, as you seem to believe..

The question is: How does the mortal man put on immortality? I believe it us by being born again, as Jesus said.

John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Where did Jesus ever talk about the physical body? Being born of the spirit has nothing to do with the physical body. It means spiritual rebirth.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Paul clearly explains how the dead are raised up in 1 Corinthians 15.

1st Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

According to 1 Corinthians 15:50 only spiritual bodies can enter the kingdom of God. Physical bodies who are composed of flesh and blood cannot enter. In the context of this chapter Paul is talking about the Kingdom of God in heaven, not the future Kingdom of God that will be built upon the Earth.

 

[rational experiences]

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This body that you see---it isn’t really me
It’s but the womb in which I’m being formed
For I am spirit—I am mind
And it’s the only place you’ll find
WHO I AM, until the day I’m finally born.
For I will not be free, until this body that you see
Has returned to the dust from whence it came
It’s then that I’ll be born from this womb in which I’m formed
To continue on in life’s eternal game. The Anointed.

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord's face.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the one who was anointed as the successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation: CHRIST=The anointed one]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a oneyear old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the ANOINTED one, who was taken to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation at the age of 365 is the unblemished Lamb of God.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron"s twin, is in fact Elijah"s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "The lesser YHVH" (The Son of God) resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness.

Who wrote all of the information?

By vision to see the vision, by hearing to hear a recording.....all spiritual by definition of comparing bio life the book writer and data inference to his own self.

Now I am a female I say I am compared to water, yet know that water lays as a huge mass on the ground and also in the heavens.

So when I die, my over conscious spiritual Mother allows me to say.....no I am not on the ground and I am not flying off into the heavens....as the males own man/science living alive themes about his own realisations and chemical behaviours in radiation changes.

For the Bible is distinctly written after the fact as a review of why life in Genetic human presence got sacrificed...as compared to why animal life got attacked and combusted on the altar of stone/God, and why God was given planetary sink holes.

For it is written after the fact by a living human being telling all stories.

Now I said to my brother once on a forum, do you think that you are speaking to yourself from a male death.....when the scientific study of death places no breathing, no blood flow, no oxygenation, no breathing and brain death...as being dead?

Yes he said, I hear 2 forms of speaking man/male voices...my own, my own recorded. Yes that is right brother. Recorded machine God Earth materials. But did you know that subliminal, proven in science mind coercion, mind contact is multi mass replicator male voiced opinions that can take over your mind if you apply occult science research. 3 voices for a male self.

And I learnt that it does not then allow you to continue to think for yourself....as it was proven to me.

I learnt because I owned my voice female, my recorded voice female then forced to hear your SCIENCE AI machine encoded male voice.

Told you that you were wrong...and told you that science possesses your thoughts...Possession by replicator UFO mass take over was ultimate proof to your science life, why it was a chosen study applied by medical healer biologist sciences....and it was proven actual.

 

[epronovost]

I'm definitely going to be wearing underwear

Nah you'll forget them last minute and it's going to be really awkward.

 

[Deeje]

Correct there is life in the body and the death of that body, but those who have lived GOOD LIVES find peace and rest in death.

According to Solomon, everyone who goes into sheol enters a period of unconscious 'rest'.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10.....
"For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun. . . . Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going." (NASB)

This applies to all, both righteous and unrighteous because Jesus calls both from the same place at the resurrection....their graves. How can he call the dead from their graves unless they are all still in them?

John 5:28-29...
"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment." (NASB)

The resurrection comes after Jesus has returned as King and judge of all mankind......so the judgment comes after their resurrection not when they died.
The Kingdom rules for 1,000 years, so this is the time in which the unrighteous will be judged, most of whom died in ignorance.

The incorrigibly wicked are in gehenna, which is "the lake of fire"....a place from which no one is resurrected because it means "the second (eternal) death". Jesus said that body and soul are "destroyed" in gehenna. (Matthew 28:10)

Solomon, in fact, lamented how futile human life was, if we die like the animals do....

Ecclesiastes 3:19-20...
" For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20 All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust."

A "soul" cannot exist without a body....a body cannot exist without the "spirit" that is perpetuated by breathing. When breathing stops, the body dies....and the "soul" with it.

Ezekiel 18:4...
"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die."

All have sinned and all must die once and go off into judgement. What is it, that goes off to be judged? certainly not the body that has decomposed and returned to the elements from which it was created, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, as you seem to believe..

You have the timing all wrong IMO. Nothing goes anywhere at death. Judgment is administered at the resurrection, when Jesus calls all the dead from their graves. He grants life to the faithful and gives the 'unrighteous' an opportunity to get to know him before a final judgment is made.
The wicked are left in death.....that is not complicated is it?

If you invent immortal souls, then you have to invent places for them to go....
The dead are dead...its really that simple. They all sleep, waiting for Jesus to call them out of their tombs, just like he did Lazarus. (John 11:11-14)

There is no afterlife in the sense of spirits leaving the body at death to flit off to places unknown.

 

[danieldemol]

I believe we can take only our virtues with us when our spirit leaves the body.

 

[PureX]

If anything of us, at all, continues to exist after the body dies, I suspect is would only be some sort of energy pattern, or signature. If so, it will likely have been developed and refined by how we lived our lives, and will be unique to "us". But how that might manifest and be expressed once freed from the physical constraints of the body is anyone's guess.

 

[The Anointed]

The question is: How does the mortal man put on immortality? I believe it us by being born again, as Jesus said.

John 3:5-7 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Where did Jesus ever talk about the physical body? Being born of the spirit has nothing to do with the physical body. It means spiritual rebirth.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Paul clearly explains how the dead are raised up in 1 Corinthians 15.

1st Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

According to 1 Corinthians 15:50 only spiritual bodies can enter the kingdom of God. Physical bodies who are composed of flesh and blood cannot enter. In the context of this chapter Paul is talking about the Kingdom of God in heaven, not the future Kingdom of God that will be built upon the Earth.

Born again?

After being in the valley of man, which is the spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three dimensional world for 'THREE DAYS', or three thousand years, (For the kingdom of God is within you.) Enoch, the living spirit within the bosom of Abraham to who all the spirits of the righteous, who had paid the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes that they had made in life, for which they were truly repentant, and who had been separated from the unrighteous dead, and gathered to the bosom of Abraham, over whom the second death had no power, were reborn as the man Jesus.

The graves of those Saints were opened when Jesus gave up his spirit, and who, three days later entered the holy city and revealed themselves as the risen body of the anointed one.

John 14: 30; "I cannot talk to you much longer, because (Death) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know I love 'THE' Father, that is why I do everything as he commands me,"

John 3: 10; Jesus answered, “You are a great teacher in Israel, and you don't know this? I am telling you the truth: 'WE' (Plural) speak of what 'WE' (Plural) know and report what 'WE' (Plural) have seen, yet none of you is willing to accept 'OUR' (Plural) message. You do not believe me when I tell you about the things of this world; how will you ever believe me, then, when I tell you about the things of heaven?

 

[SalixIncendium]

What Will We Carry Into the Afterlife?

How are we defining "afterlife?" The next life in samsara? Moksha?

 

[The Anointed]

How are we defining "afterlife?" The next life in samsara? Moksha?

How are we defining "afterlife? it is the life of 'YOU' the mind that that had developed within the physical body before it had died and decomposed and returned to the elements from which that physical womb in which you the mind=sprit had developed

 

[SalixIncendium]

How are we defining "afterlife? it is the life of 'YOU' the mind that that had developed within the physical body before it had died and decomposed and returned to the elements from which that physical womb in which you the mind=sprit had developed

I read this at least six times and cannot make sense of what you are attempting to communicate here. Care to rephrase?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Which is all of who we are, less our physical body.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I received this article in my e-mail a few days ago and I loved the simplicity of it, so I wanted to share it.

Baha’u’llah further explained that “the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel. It is the first among all created things to declare the excellence of its Creator, the first to recognize His glory, to cleave to His truth, and to bow down in adoration before Him. If it be faithful to God, it will reflect His light, and will, eventually, return unto Him. If it fail, however, in its allegiance to its Creator, it will become a victim to self and passion, and will, in the end, sink in their depths.”

Take time to be alone. Meditate profoundly and pray daily. Focus on serving your community and contributing to the betterment of the world. You are not a body with a soul. You are a soul that temporarily has an association with a body.

https://bahaiteachings.org/what-will-we-carry-into-the-afterlife?

My religion says we take knowledge gained in this life and the more knowledge we take the better off we are.

 

[Trailblazer]

How are we defining "afterlife?" The next life in samsara? Moksha?

Whatever you believe the afterlife consists of.
Everyone has different beliefs about the afterlife.

 

[Trailblazer]

The brain doesn't go with us because it is part of the physical body and the physical body cannot survive death,
according to my beliefs.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Whatever you believe the afterlife consists of.
Everyone has different beliefs about the afterlife.

The reason I ask is because there are very different answers with each scenario.

 

[Trailblazer]

My religion says we take knowledge gained in this life and the more knowledge we take the better off we are.

That is also what my religion teaches, but it teaches that the most important knowledge we can have is the knowledge of God and knowledge of our inmost true self. We need worldly knowledge in this life but I do not believe worldly knowledge will have any value in the afterlife.

I believe that the Prophets and Messengers of God are educators that guide us on the straight Path of Truth enabling is to attain knowledge of our true selves, which is what we will need in the spiritual world where we will spend eternity.

“The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High. ”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156-157

 

[Trailblazer]

The reason I ask is because there are very different answers with each scenario.

Do you mean there are different answers as to what we will carry with is into the afterlife depending upon our beliefs about the afterlife?

I am looking for answers according to what people believe about the afterlife.
What do you believe we will carry, according to your beliefs?

 

[The Anointed]

How are we defining "afterlife? it is the life of 'YOU' the mind that that had developed within the physical body before it had died and decomposed and returned to the elements from which that physical womb in which you the mind=sprit had developed

You are body, soul and spirit. Your body is created from the universal elements, and it is activated by the universal soul, which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, activating everything within the universe, and it is to the universal soul=LIFE-FORCE, that all information or SPIRIT, is gathered.

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and “YOU” who are spirit [Gathered information] could never have begun to develop, and the living body in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality or “CONTROLLING GODHEAD” to that body, which godhead should be an obedient servant to “WHO YOU ARE

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body of “skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc,” has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU, the mind or spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force or soul, [The collective consciousness of all that exists] from which it will be resurrected in either this, or the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is “YOU” is divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul. Hebrews 4: 12.---------“For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit."

This body that you see---it isn’t really me
It’s but the womb in which I’m being formed
For I am spirit—I am mind
And it’s the only place you’ll find
WHO I AM, until the day I’m finally born.
For I will not be free, until this body that you see
Has returned to the dust from whence it came
It’s then that I’ll be born from this womb in which I’m formed
To continue on in life's eternal game...…...The Anointed

 

[Rational Agnostic]

All that we can take with us, are our memories.

How are our memories going to survive the deaths of our physical brains, when our brains are where are memories are stored? Further, How are we going to "experience" anything without brains? I don't know exactly what consciousness is or where it comes from, but it's pretty obvious that it (at least in any meaningful form) is dependent on brains.