What would falsify the theory of evolution?

[BilliardsBall]

I have reasonable doubt you have the necessary reading comprehension to understand @Subduction Zone's point.
The Bible quote doesn't give evidence, it defines evidence.
"Faith [...] is [...] evidence [...]"
That definition contradicts the definition used in philosophy (epistemology) and science. There wishful thinking is not evidence of anything.

The Bible gives evidence, just not in that sentence you've excerpted from Hebrews.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I don't know that I have presented math regarding chirality to anyone on here. But that isn't the point. Your confusing response has nothing to do with the post I responded to. You said in post 633, "The math on how biological mechanisms would evolve people from other apes is not in any way convincing--because besides the odds of genes passed by birth, countless biological and environmental factors have to be overcome".

Nothing to do with abiogenesis.

You didn't move the goal posts. You went from a football field to a baseball field and started a chess match.

I can't get much sense out of the post I'm responding to here. I guess you didn't review the math and really don't have any valid reason to reject human/chimpanzee common decent.

Common descent in this case is millions of genetic differences--I've seen some numbers from you and from other sources on change through descent and mutation, etc. The math of rates of change is typically quoted without the other factors added--how many of those genetic changes would be dominant or recessive, how many would kill the animal, how it works out that organ systems evolve simultaneously, etc.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Bible gives evidence, just not in that sentence you've excerpted from Hebrews.

The Bible contains the claims. Not the evidence.

 

[Heyo]

The Bible gives evidence, just not in that sentence you've excerpted from Hebrews.

I didn't excerpt it, you did. And you claimed it was evidence.

But when we agree that that passage isn't evidence, what is?

 

[gnostic]

The biblical quotation cites trust based on evidence.

Where does the Bible say faith and evidence are the same things?

I recall (I don’t remember the exact verse) along the line that someone ask Jesus to show them some miracles, and Jesus said something like it is better for people to have faith in his teaching than to have miracles being performed on-demands. Or something like is better to feel & accept than to see & accept.

The Bible are filled with prophecies that never happened and miracles that are based on the words of authors, basically requiring blind faith on hearsay.

None of the gospels were written contemporary to Jesus’ active ministry or near-contemporary like from 1 to 5 or even 10 years after Jesus’ supposed ascension.

The gospel of Mark was written over a generation ago, around 65 to 7t BCE, so like a generation-and-a-half later.

That of Matthew and Luke during the 80s, which is like 2 generation-and-a-half later, and that of John, 3 generations later.

Many of the authentic letters by Paul (those classified pastoral epistles were post-dated Paul’s death, hence these letters were attributed to Paul, but written by Paul) early than the gospel of Mark.

Plus, we don’t know who actually wrote these four gospels, but they were attributed to these four names by the early 2nd century. Because they were written so long in time - a gap between Jesus and gospel compositions - that it is highly doubtful they were written by eyewitnesses to Jesus’ life.

It is only based on 2nd century church traditions that the authors to Matthew and John were written by two of Jesus’ apostles. Take the gospel of Matthew for instance, it supposedly was written by Matthew, who by traditions claimed that it was written for Jewish readers, therefore the texts was supposedly first composed in Hebrew. But no such original Hebrew gospel were ever found in the 1st century CE, and there seemed to be no evidence it was translated from Hebrew to Greek.

The problems with religious traditions are that there are no historical verification to their claims. Church traditions were themselves composed from 2nd century CE and onwards. So the reliability of these traditions are questionable, including who were the true authors of these canonical gospels.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Common descent in this case is millions of genetic differences--I've seen some numbers from you and from other sources on change through descent and mutation, etc. The math of rates of change is typically quoted without the other factors added--how many of those genetic changes would be dominant or recessive, how many would kill the animal, how it works out that organ systems evolve simultaneously, etc.

You are really avoiding the questions I asked. Questions you should be able to answer if your claims have any merit at all and you understand any of it.

What does this mish mash of nonsense have to do with the math you claim eliminates common descent?

 

[rational experiences]

Humans in ownership a humans life stopped science.

We all were mutated.

Lived like monkey humans surviving.

The atmosphere cooled evolved replaced mass pressures. Water regained origin microbes. Life by sex became healthier and healthier babies.

And no machine is a human and transmitters are only transmitters. Earths heavens mass transmitters change attacks us. Liar experimenter today.

Is a human's owned experience only.

Then when your mind brain could think upon it...you tell stories.

Scientists told the advice as a human.

Then you review the theist...a human.

Didn't own science his machine or machines reaction yet. Theories pretend.

Puts thought where no machine exists no human exists no nature exists no animals.

A human theist pretending they are the God.

Outcome legal rights. No man is God.

As natural human was always present first versus man the theist destroyer of life on earth our teaching.

A scientists testimonial man did it.

Changed God earth changed God heavens.
Pretty basic you're wrong theist.

Were all mutual equal humans first.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Common descent in this case is millions of genetic differences--I've seen some numbers from you and from other sources on change through descent and mutation, etc. The math of rates of change is typically quoted without the other factors added--how many of those genetic changes would be dominant or recessive, how many would kill the animal, how it works out that organ systems evolve simultaneously, etc.

It has been millions of years since humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor. Both lines have diverged and evolved separately. To expect little or no changes in the respective genomes does not make sense.

 

[rational experiences]

It has been millions of years since humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor. Both lines have diverged and evolved separately. To expect little or no changes in the respective genomes does not make sense.

It's been sex that inherited the life body...as the heavens supports every mutated expression lived now. Same heavens mass for everyone.

Sex..not a thesis of an evil minded human theist is legal humans the law warning.

Men knew the satanic mind theming before man is who pretends he's a God.

The theist.

Stated you theoried life's destruction and you wanted the heavens evolution to return by invention to one status immaculate only cold clear. Natural past not suns changed heavens.

Outright lie.

The thesis is always with natural position laws first as another human lie.

You claim it for machine yet theory direct is only about natural mass.

You only know mutation as it's born present expressed living by sex.

No sex no seen mutation either.

Why a theist is evil minded.

Sex isn't evolution... law of sin was sex.

Theist lies says but I made sin holes in earths mass as my nothing cause. Mass removed by a machine. Why he confessed the suns machine did it first.

Man's machine body only is protected by heavens. In water.

Reaction never was...he always knew it wasnt and always pretends he's applying safety measures. His measure is not to allow his machine to blow up.

Reason ice isn't a chemistry thesis vacuum void opened it was instant. Men theory mass any type via chemistry.

Never had he stopped above gas burn fallout of sun star mass causes. As ice is present in mass the whole time.

The exact position he first theoried about. His biology already changed but was also saved. First. Ability to theory given. Caused fallout and nearly all life was destroyed as he removed life's earth communal saving.

It wasn't just about his life he self idolated as man the theist.

As earths heavens dealt with stars fall naturally...he removed the cooling of bio safety causes. Makes him an idiot not a theist actually.

Compares what he did as if somehow his advice is superior.

Warnings man theist behaviours . He lies.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Where does the Bible say faith and evidence are the same things?

I recall (I don’t remember the exact verse) along the line that someone ask Jesus to show them some miracles, and Jesus said something like it is better for people to have faith in his teaching than to have miracles being performed on-demands. Or something like is better to feel & accept than to see & accept.

The Bible are filled with prophecies that never happened and miracles that are based on the words of authors, basically requiring blind faith on hearsay.

None of the gospels were written contemporary to Jesus’ active ministry or near-contemporary like from 1 to 5 or even 10 years after Jesus’ supposed ascension.

The gospel of Mark was written over a generation ago, around 65 to 7t BCE, so like a generation-and-a-half later.

That of Matthew and Luke during the 80s, which is like 2 generation-and-a-half later, and that of John, 3 generations later.

Many of the authentic letters by Paul (those classified pastoral epistles were post-dated Paul’s death, hence these letters were attributed to Paul, but written by Paul) early than the gospel of Mark.

Plus, we don’t know who actually wrote these four gospels, but they were attributed to these four names by the early 2nd century. Because they were written so long in time - a gap between Jesus and gospel compositions - that it is highly doubtful they were written by eyewitnesses to Jesus’ life.

It is only based on 2nd century church traditions that the authors to Matthew and John were written by two of Jesus’ apostles. Take the gospel of Matthew for instance, it supposedly was written by Matthew, who by traditions claimed that it was written for Jewish readers, therefore the texts was supposedly first composed in Hebrew. But no such original Hebrew gospel were ever found in the 1st century CE, and there seemed to be no evidence it was translated from Hebrew to Greek.

The problems with religious traditions are that there are no historical verification to their claims. Church traditions were themselves composed from 2nd century CE and onwards. So the reliability of these traditions are questionable, including who were the true authors of these canonical gospels.

Your first sentence is wrong, I never said faith and evidence are the same things. You ought to try to understand before seeking to be understood.

Again, the actual Bible quotation is that faith--a synonym for TRUST--is based in evidence.

I have good reasons to trust my spouse, my children, my God.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You are really avoiding the questions I asked. Questions you should be able to answer if your claims have any merit at all and you understand any of it.

What does this mish mash of nonsense have to do with the math you claim eliminates common descent?

I understand well. It is thought that evoution can account for overcoming all sorts of odds, for example, the necessity for a simple eye to evolve in 400,000 years or so--while also juggling multiple systems that attach the eye to perception and the mind, reverse images to correct them, adjust for 3D space, etc. Irreducible complexity--not your favorite term, but one you and many neglect to deal with--on a math basis.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I understand well. It is thought that evoution can account for overcoming all sorts of odds, for example, the necessity for a simple eye to evolve in 400,000 years or so--while also juggling multiple systems that attach the eye to perception and the mind, reverse images to correct them, adjust for 3D space, etc. Irreducible complexity--not your favorite term, but one you and many neglect to deal with--on a math basis.

You keep saying this but you never actually demonstrate it.

And not only that, but it's based on long-ago debunked creationist claims going back about 50 years or so. Science has obviously come a long way since then. But seriously, these talking points were old back then. I mean seriously, look at you here talking about how it's impossible for the eye to have evolved. What are you going to do next, quote-mine Darwin? Come on.

Apparently you aren't aware either that scientists have pieced together how eyes have evolved (from, but not limited to), examples in species that exist today all over the world that exhibit eyes in various stages of the sequence of eye evolution that they've pieced together.

The Origin of the Vertebrate Eye - Evolution: Education and Outreach
Visualizing the Evolution of Vision and the Eye
Evolution and development of complex eyes: a celebration of diversity
Eye evolution and its functional basis
Light and the evolution of vision | Eye


By the way, irreducible complexity, as a concept, has been dead in the water for years.

 

[gnostic]

Your first sentence is wrong, I never said faith and evidence are the same things. You ought to try to understand before seeking to be understood.

Again, the actual Bible quotation is that faith--a synonym for TRUST--is based in evidence.

I have good reasons to trust my spouse, my children, my God.

I am not talking about your wife or children, and I wouldn’t demean you and your family that you cannot trust them. Nor would I say they don’t exist.

With God, it is completely different matter, you cannot show that god exist in any way that I would be able to observe, measure or test god.

As to the Bible, it make lots of claim about god, the so-called power to create or to perform miracles, and the people (from Adam to Solomon) who are mostly certainly mythological and never exist.

This thread is about “What would falsify” Evolution.

My answer to that, as far as “diversity of life”, change or adaptations via Natural Selection or Mutations or Genetic Drift or Gene Flow, each of these mechanisms to Evolution have been “falsifiable” (meaning it is testable and refutable theory), and it have been “tested” and “verified”, but it has never been “falsified”.

Creation, based on Genesis 1 & 2, neither God, nor the miraculous creation, eg the Earth created covered completely in water, there been daylight without the Sun, the Earth being created before the Sun and stars, birds being created at the same time as fishes and other marine life, and human (Adam) being created from dust on the ground, which I assuming to be lifeless soil, all “fully-grown”, etc...

...well, God is unfalsifiable (hence untestable), and cannot be tested, as I said earlier, god cannot be observed, measured or tested.

The other stuff about creation of this and that, are just story that the Israelites have stolen from the Babylonians (especially the creation of man and the flood), adapted for monotheistic Hebrews, stories of myths.

Plus, the evidence,

• show stars are far older than our Solar System, including the Sun and the Earth;
• the Earth was never completely covered by water from the very beginning;
• the birds post-dated fishes and marine by hundreds of millions of years;
• human was never created from soil.

None of Genesis 1 & 2 are true. Plus, the timelines of 1 & 2 contradict each other.

Like in Genesis 1, humans were created after plants and all other animals, while in Genesis 2, man was created BEFORE plants and animals...and only woman (Eve) was created last.

Such contradictions only show that there are two completely different creation myths were composed, and imperfectly stitched together.

 

[rational experiences]

Science of a man human in his presence man.

I denote all advices from my man's consciousness. Is his confession I am above all things.

Behaviour.

You claim once there was only one base source that owns any God type now in any of its one types...gods.

Alchemist..old science. All gods.

So he says he must personally find this source to make it his one...electricity. as electricity he conjured out of higher sources already in mass.

Electricity he says is another God. So it's not a base source.

He just pretends it is.

As electricity cannot convert into any substance higher than what it is. Laws about each one type.

What lying is in life.

Two humans. One accepts life with God. The other seeks to change gods law. Science seeks to change.

His idea greed and I want what I want.

So his gods are varied. Multi earth bases. No machine. One machine came from mans many gods.

In earth his gods are all seperate. He says a God electricity is in earth base with all gods that made his machine.

Hence electricity has to be inside his machines body doesn't it?

As sun god dusts above on mass heavens which earths Rock isn't only creates lightning.

Therefore real science isn't real. As whenever a man feels like it he changes the theme what science is to a human.

Making you the most dangerous type of human thinker on earth.

Yes he says criminal cult murdering enslavers was historic in science as only humans wield science....as first brother. Rich greedy man. Rich greedy man took maths after building and then invented technology.

Why rich greedy men kill all life on earth and have been killing family off by millions ever since.

So religion legal asks family...after everything he says why do you believe and follow him. He causes you to murder meek family innocent ...he gives you false stories.

As rich man self idolator invented religion too. The hypocrite. Who idolated his man self claiming he was a deity. Rich man history everywhere you look.

He too convinced you to murder meek innocent family. In religious claim.

Somehow I must try to convince a human you aren't any special life.

Oh you're like a monkey but better is the proof a monkey to human now.... he said made lives exist in the exact moment you do. Human god theist human the God as scientist.

Hence only some type of cause would instantly allow you to be a human. We all live in same place heavens. It's only water oxygen living microbes.

Oh he says the extra microbes in heavens mass evolved the monkey baby. Into human as and by monkey sex. His claim. Must of a sudden happened. Monkeys other babies already all present were grown ..grew up together.

Had sex. Why humans aren't monkeys says science. I must convince my brother humans aren't monkeys. And no God deity did it. Heavens had.

You live as biology side by side. Maths isn't side by side...add on.. add on is applied spiritually by man thinking consciousness.

Maths is first written in a book only on paper.

That story is about the origin substance that created all things and still exists. As all creation still exists. Says man living.

It's held in a law eternal frozen. If it wasn't we would not be standing on earth...nor would science own any use of themes. Eternal he says frozen direct..hence don't change law.

But he does and kills everything.

And a higher embodied human man wanted it. He however cannot convert from being a human back into that higher substance.

Is all he's arguing about...we came from a place of spirit far more special than any body existing created.

Scientist hence says the same story that I did. I tell it correctly. You tried to tell it by machine.

He says I knew a pre spirit form existed as I cannot define pre form in science terminology. Is exact.

Therefore as all life exists now by sex procreation. The law of sex procreation is not evolution and your thesis is fake.

Origin parent isn't in any Bible's advice. In reality not a book and forever are skeletal dusts.

Said legal to protect life on earth versus criminal ancient behaviour of greedy rich man.

Legal standing no man is God. Don't give God a deity name. And don't theory about the dead medium.....heavens body.

Which just happens to be carbon too. As once carbon was once a higher energy mass removed.

Machine is not my creator.

Rich men were involved in a spiritual organisation about lifes safety yet still a hypocrite.. being rich places you abstract in humans natural reality.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I understand well. It is thought that evoution can account for overcoming all sorts of odds, for example, the necessity for a simple eye to evolve in 400,000 years or so--while also juggling multiple systems that attach the eye to perception and the mind, reverse images to correct them, adjust for 3D space, etc. Irreducible complexity--not your favorite term, but one you and many neglect to deal with--on a math basis.

I don't really know what you are talking about. It has nothing to do with the original claims you made that I asked about. I suppose if you were trying to shake me loose without having to reveal that you don't have anything, I suppose it is working.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The math on how biological mechanisms would evolve people from other apes is not in any way convincing

Can you explain that and show me how that math fails?

--because besides the odds of genes passed by birth,

What does this mean in the context of common descent? What genes and what odds? Can you explain this to me?

countless biological and environmental factors have to be overcome.

Which are what? Can you explain this to me so that I understand what you mean?

 

[rational experiences]

Men said all of a sudden vacuum void 000000 count as suns lose mass presence emerges.

I finite space cold and pressure increases.

I knew as immaculate heavens was the only correct space law a gas owned. Clear. Non burning.

O 24 balanced out 0 O 24.

As immaculate heavens itself.its presence holy don't change it warning.

Bio life only survived due to immaculate.

Therefore science of ancient man removed a huge upper heavenly body mass.

Said by long count from their attack maybe million years....000000 sun mass body gone spatial opening...earths pressures above in space change.

Next moment a huge cloud increase would put biologies protection back still cell damaged by sun ark ufo. Past year approx 2012.

Told you to never allow nuclear science ever again based on all witnessed humans evidence.

Pressure above and space removes life's water from involving UFO cooling. We get mass back plus microbial increase and then heal cellular body damage.

The past attack on biology by numbers Proved that the cell health missing was by man's math cause.

So virtual maths said all we had left to survive was maths proven.

As numbers are only applied by the human man who theories humans sciences theories first.

He proves we had lost half our biologies existence only.

Arrogant men said it proved maths had created life. Yet you have to be a human to apply maths by a choice only.

No man is God taught don't be an arrogant self idolator man. Most of you are. You're all just humans first. Your human maths hadn't created life or creation.

 

[rational experiences]

Sun theists were outlawed.

As Alchemy in pretence is by a suns mass converting earths mass. The warning.

Just because men control Alchemy you virtually are imposing the suns values in a false small version.

Evil itself said spiritual holy men. Aware and taught why.

A sun losing its mass in space gave infinity it's zeros another reason...why no man is a God in any maths.

The sun is in control of space change only taught men.

Reality is mass. And no man is mass nor owns mass as a space law.

Warned. Ignored. As greedy men's behaviour is life's destroyer is our known exact human teaching for humans as humans.

The origin criminal man behaviour was human greed...by human threat and murder was the known illegal first ever human cult. We had no legal protection first.

Legal said it's review religious was to overtake evil greedy man's satanic minded history...not acting for the people as the people anywhere on planet earth. O earth the God entity home base.

By finding a mutual governing plan that suits all humanity men and women equality. Everywhere.

Which isn't based on greedy rich men's trade or mans science destruction as organised against humanity anywhere on earth.

Men with self destructive human personality disorders should be disavowed as a leader. And governing a family business should use a test to produce evidence of those personality types.

So no man destroys life on earth.

To allow evolution healing on earth the topic. Our future.

Science employs humans with acute visionary self destructive advice.

Evolution...we want it given back to our life.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I am not talking about your wife or children, and I wouldn’t demean you and your family that you cannot trust them. Nor would I say they don’t exist.

With God, it is completely different matter, you cannot show that god exist in any way that I would be able to observe, measure or test god.

As to the Bible, it make lots of claim about god, the so-called power to create or to perform miracles, and the people (from Adam to Solomon) who are mostly certainly mythological and never exist.

This thread is about “What would falsify” Evolution.

My answer to that, as far as “diversity of life”, change or adaptations via Natural Selection or Mutations or Genetic Drift or Gene Flow, each of these mechanisms to Evolution have been “falsifiable” (meaning it is testable and refutable theory), and it have been “tested” and “verified”, but it has never been “falsified”.

Creation, based on Genesis 1 & 2, neither God, nor the miraculous creation, eg the Earth created covered completely in water, there been daylight without the Sun, the Earth being created before the Sun and stars, birds being created at the same time as fishes and other marine life, and human (Adam) being created from dust on the ground, which I assuming to be lifeless soil, all “fully-grown”, etc...

...well, God is unfalsifiable (hence untestable), and cannot be tested, as I said earlier, god cannot be observed, measured or tested.

The other stuff about creation of this and that, are just story that the Israelites have stolen from the Babylonians (especially the creation of man and the flood), adapted for monotheistic Hebrews, stories of myths.

Plus, the evidence,

• show stars are far older than our Solar System, including the Sun and the Earth;
• the Earth was never completely covered by water from the very beginning;
• the birds post-dated fishes and marine by hundreds of millions of years;
• human was never created from soil.

None of Genesis 1 & 2 are true. Plus, the timelines of 1 & 2 contradict each other.

Like in Genesis 1, humans were created after plants and all other animals, while in Genesis 2, man was created BEFORE plants and animals...and only woman (Eve) was created last.

Such contradictions only show that there are two completely different creation myths were composed, and imperfectly stitched together.

I hold SIZABLE evidence for God, it is clear you've not studied prophecy or gematria--or know the love of Christ.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Can you explain that and show me how that math fails?

What does this mean in the context of common descent? What genes and what odds? Can you explain this to me?

Which are what? Can you explain this to me so that I understand what you mean?

Sample questions:

Since I have an arched foot with 26 bones in it--and an arch structure is irreducibly complex (the arch falls without each component within) and there are no transitory fossils between my arched foot and the flat foot of other apes--what is the statistical likelihood that the arched foot evolved via random processes, most of these processes reducing, rather than adding, information?

Or since the eye is thought to have evolved up to 30 times across different species, what " "?