What would it take for you to change your faith to another?

[anonymous9887]

Empty claim. Please produce a single way that anyone can objectively examine your God in any demonstrable way.

Well you may not like my answer but the way we get to examine any god who has manuscripts is by reading and challenging the word with an honest open heart and not trying to find a fallacy on purpose, you can find fallacies with anything if you want to twist it into a fallacy. But to me it's the prophecy. I will consider any religion, but it has to provide reasonable answers and so far there is no book like the bible.

 

[anonymous9887]

Whether or not you accept than as true, many things you act on as if they were true are not supported by such evidence.

That is true of us all.

Yes it's almost automatic, that's why we have to work on our consciousness and make sure we try to be fully aware of our decisions. But we all fall short anyway.

 

[Emi]

I think most people will change faith if firstly they are unsatisfied with their own. a faith that fits another's ideals and opinions is generally picked up by the dissatisfied.

 

[anonymous9887]

If one for some reason insists on literalism, sure, I can see why geological objections would hold sway.

As for whether they were formulated by men, no, I don't think a bunch of guys ever sat down and came up with all of Hinduism, for example. It'd be impossible.



So you love us all, but we don't get to go to heaven?

And for example if we have 10 men compose a book and they say it is inspired by God or somehow reach a consciousness or something divine of that nature, we have to challenge it.
1. We have to see if this information is attainable by observation and critical thinking as the philosophers did. Plato is an example.
2. If it's god inspired is it accurate. We would expect the creator of the universe to be able to complete the simple task of using men to jot down his words.
3. There has to be that area were you say man or men could not have possibly compiled this.

 

[anonymous9887]

I think most people will change faith if firstly they are unsatisfied with their own. a faith that fits another's ideals and opinions is generally picked up by the dissatisfied.

Does truth have anything to do with it?

 

[Emi]

Does truth have anything to do with it?

No, because religious truth isn't objective. Religions claim objective truth, but there isn't any. There is individual objective truth, meaning the believer believes their
religion is true, but not overall objective truth in religion.

 

[Cephus]

Whether or not you accept them as true, many things you act on as if they were true are not supported by such evidence.

That is true of us all.

That's not true. Bet you couldn't find a thing that I accept as true that is not supported by evidence.

 

[Cephus]

Well you may not like my answer but the way we get to examine any god who has manuscripts is by reading and challenging the word with an honest open heart and not trying to find a fallacy on purpose, you can find fallacies with anything if you want to twist it into a fallacy. But to me it's the prophecy. I will consider any religion, but it has to provide reasonable answers and so far there is no book like the bible.

But that's not examining a god, that's believing claims made about said god without any evidence that those claims are factually true. You've got nothing but wishful thinking, at least be honest about it.

 

[anonymous9887]

But that's not examining a god, that's believing claims made about said god without any evidence that those claims are factually true. You've got nothing but wishful thinking, at least be honest about it.

Well that's examining the inspired writing which no man could have composed with that kind of accuracy on prophecy.

 

[Saint_of_Me]

well first off not many people know about gods plan to be truthful. First off we have to realize who really rules this world. Satan. jesus says in john 14:30 the ruler of this world is coming. examine also luke 4:6 and 1 john 5:19, 2 Corinthians 4:4, revelation 12:9.
Now the question is why does god allow suffering? or why did god not destroy satan, adam, and eve?
if you tell your children not to do something for their own good, and they run off and do it, what would they learn if you removed the consequences?
What would that do to the others if god just destroyed them for doing what they chose to do for themselves? people or angels may think maybe satan had a point and the doubt would still be there.
by letting satan do everything else but gods will on the earth we get to see the results well that we have today.
gods sovereignty was challenged by satan.
I can explain a lot more but it is a long explanation, but this is just scratching the surface
he put an immediate solution in genesis 3:15
and he will restore the earth to a paradise once again psalms 37:10,11

Baldersash! LOL

Satan is no more real than god. The very word itself is an admitted manmade invention. TO be more specific, a Hebrew one. IN the Torah, and early Hebrew religious writings, "hasatan" was the word given to mean "enemy." Or "foe." They used it in many different cases, it was sort of a blanket, catch-all term, often used in describing a human, such as form a rival tribe or ethnicity.

Then the word, like so many things in religion, was skewed and blown way out of proportion, and given supernatural qualities. Such as "ha-SATAN: being god's chief rival and fallen former right-hand-man in Heaven. The word can also mean "the deciever" as in a crafty, manipulative foe.

Another misconception in all this fictional and mythical Devil business is the name "Lucifer." Which came from a mis-translation when the Septaguint came out, which translated the Hebrew Bible. The name means "Light Giver" but was originally referring to the King of Babylon. NOT ha-SATAN.

All religions have a supernatural Evil Foe. Even the Buddhists have their "Mara" who tempted the Buddha when he sat under the Bodhi tree for 40 days seeking enlightenment.

(Gee, another "40 Day enlightenment thing, like the Jews wandering and then Jesus in the wilderness, tempted by Satan! LOL. Message to the Jews, since the Buddha came 500 years BEFORE: "Borrow much mythos ideaas? LOL)

But yeah, inventing gods and evil entities--This is mere human nature. As is the obsession with seeking patterns and causes for things even when there are none. An undesirably by-product of our evolved minds. Just like ALL religion is. And talk of invisible gods, adult versions of invisible childhood freinds. Just like Satan is an adult version of the old childhood boogie man, or the monster under the bed. LOL.

 

[anonymous9887]

Baldersash! LOL

Satan is no more real than god. The very word itself is an admitted manmade invention. TO be more specific, a Hebrew one. IN the Torah, and early Hebrew religious writings, "hasatan" was the word given to mean "enemy." Or "foe." They used it in many different cases, it was sort of a blanket, catch-all term, often used in describing a human, such as form a rival tribe or ethnicity.

Then the word, like so many things in religion, was skewed and blown way out of proportion, and given supernatural qualities. Such as "ha-SATAN: being god's chief rival and fallen former right-hand-man in Heaven. The word can also mean "the deciever" as in a crafty, manipulative foe.

Another misconception in all this fictional and mythical Devil business is the name "Lucifer." Which came from a mis-translation when the Septaguint came out, which translated the Hebrew Bible. The name means "Light Giver" but was originally referring to the King of Babylon. NOT ha-SATAN.

All religions have a supernatural Evil Foe. Even the Buddhists have their "Mara" who tempted the Buddha when he sat under the Bodhi tree for 40 days seeking enlightenment.

(Gee, another "40 Day enlightenment thing, like the Jews wandering and then Jesus in the wilderness, tempted by Satan! LOL. Message to the Jews, since the Buddha came 500 years BEFORE: "Borrow much mythos ideaas? LOL)

But yeah, inventing gods and evil entities--This is mere human nature. As is the obsession with seeking patterns and causes for things even when there are none. An undesirably by-product of our evolved minds. Just like ALL religion is. And talk of invisible gods, adult versions of invisible childhood freinds. Just like Satan is an adult version of the old childhood boogie man, or the monster under the bed. LOL.

Explain then how in isaiah 40:22 the word circle or sphere is used. Explain Job 26:7 the earth hangs on nothing. Job 9:8 he "spreads" explain these when there was other popular ideas at the time.
By the way if you are referring to Satan no t being his name I agree, but that adversary is still there according to revelation 12:9

 

[Cephus]

Well that's examining the inspired writing which no man could have composed with that kind of accuracy on prophecy.

Name one supposed prophecy which is so specific that it couldn't have happened otherwise. You have one chance. Go.

 

[anonymous9887]

Name one supposed prophecy which is so specific that it couldn't have happened otherwise. You have one chance. Go.

OK here is one but we'll see if you want to accept it or not.
It's about the kingdom of Babylon

Keep in mind the time isaiah wrote the book babylon was the greatest kingdom at the time. So no one would have expected what isaiah fortold. Exactly.
The book isaiah was written somewhere around 735 b.c.
Babylons destruction (isaiah 14:22,23)
The way in which the city would be conquered who would be the King to take over specifically invading armies would dry up their river, and march into the city without a battle. Not to mention the King was not even born yet
That's just one of many.

 

[Cephus]

OK here is one but we'll see if you want to accept it or not.

This isn't whether I want to accept it or not, it's whether or not it fits the criteria I gave. Let's see.

It's about the kingdom of Babylon

Keep in mind the time isaiah wrote the book babylon was the greatest kingdom at the time. So no one would have expected what isaiah fortold. Exactly.
The book isaiah was written somewhere around 735 b.c.
Babylons destruction (isaiah 14:22,23)
The way in which the city would be conquered who would be the King to take over specifically invading armies would dry up their river, and march into the city without a battle. Not to mention the King was not even born yet
That's just one of many.

That's the best you can come up with? The passage itself is blatantly false. Isaiah 14:22 says "I will wipe out Babylon's name and survivors, her offspring and descendants" which clearly isn't true because we know about Babylon today. There has never been a time when people didn't know about Babylon. Verse 23 says God will turn the place into a swampland and will wipe it from existence, but we find ancient sites from Babylon all the time.

Seriously, you can't do better than that? That was pathetic.

 

[anonymous9887]

This isn't whether I want to accept it or not, it's whether or not it fits the criteria I gave. Let's see.



That's the best you can come up with? The passage itself is blatantly false. Isaiah 14:22 says "I will wipe out Babylon's name and survivors, her offspring and descendants" which clearly isn't true because we know about Babylon today. There has never been a time when people didn't know about Babylon. Verse 23 says God will turn the place into a swampland and will wipe it from existence, but we find ancient sites from Babylon all the time.

Seriously, you can't do better than that? That was pathetic.

Yes but what you fail to realize is what it's talking about, it's not literal when it says a desolate waste land or things of that nature it means it will go from being tha t mighty nation to nothing.
The statue in Daniel Daniel chapter 2 predicting king Cyrus media Persia, Greece and the Roman Empire and the Anglo American as world powers.

But like I said it's whether you accept it or not because you can't avoid the fact that he declared a man name Cyrus to take over about 100 yes ahead of time.

 

[anonymous9887]

This isn't whether I want to accept it or not, it's whether or not it fits the criteria I gave. Let's see.



That's the best you can come up with? The passage itself is blatantly false. Isaiah 14:22 says "I will wipe out Babylon's name and survivors, her offspring and descendants" which clearly isn't true because we know about Babylon today. There has never been a time when people didn't know about Babylon. Verse 23 says God will turn the place into a swampland and will wipe it from existence, but we find ancient sites from Babylon all the time.

Seriously, you can't do better than that? That was pathetic.

Let's see you make a prediction, what will be 100 yrs from now?

 

[anonymous9887]

This isn't whether I want to accept it or not, it's whether or not it fits the criteria I gave. Let's see.



That's the best you can come up with? The passage itself is blatantly false. Isaiah 14:22 says "I will wipe out Babylon's name and survivors, her offspring and descendants" which clearly isn't true because we know about Babylon today. There has never been a time when people didn't know about Babylon. Verse 23 says God will turn the place into a swampland and will wipe it from existence, but we find ancient sites from Babylon all the time.

Seriously, you can't do better than that? That was pathetic.

OK here is the bottom line he made a prediction about Cyrus and babylon

Was his prediction of Cyrus true or false?
Did they break into town without a fight yes or no?

 

[Saint_of_Me]

Explain then how in isaiah 40:22 the word circle or sphere is used. Explain Job 26:7 the earth hangs on nothing. Job 9:8 he "spreads" explain these when there was other popular ideas at the time.
By the way if you are referring to Satan no t being his name I agree, but that adversary is still there according to revelation 12:9

Explain then how in isaiah 40:22 the word circle or sphere is used. Explain Job 26:7 the earth hangs on nothing. Job 9:8 he "spreads" explain these when there was other popular ideas at the time.
By the way if you are referring to Satan no t being his name I agree, but that adversary is still there according to revelation 12:9

Really? LOL

You're gonna use the bible to justify or try to use your belief that Satan really exists?

In debate circles, this is known as "circular reasoning" and is considered a faux pax. An unfair and meaningless tactic.

So I am assuming you have nothing outside of your bible.

This is like you asking me to prove the existence of Zeus, and then going to a story from Greek Mythology.

Or asking me to prove the existence of the Grinch, and quoting a Dr. Seuss book.

LOL..in other words, it's pointless.

Guess I shoulda known better, as this dynamic when debating christians rarely changes.

 

[roger1440]

All people have their own faith. What would it take to convert you to another faith? Many people say we'll I need to see a miracle or see it in the bible, but I think even if people saw what they wanted they still wouldn't change it. So what does it really take? Opinions?

free beer

 

[anonymous9887]

free beer

So the change must be until someone else offers some better beer? Lol jk