anonymous9887
bible reader
What's real funny is just as you say we ignore your, you guys have not provided a single answer for the texts I brought up from isaiah and job.
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anonymous9887
bible reader
Haha by the way, not all christians like myself believe the earth was made in 6 literal days.
Saint_of_Me
Member
It was common knowledge by many men of science back during biblical times that the Earth was a sphere, and NOT flat. So...your bible prophets needed no god to know this--they could have simply listened to science guys.
Like religious folks should do nowadays.
The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth. [JSM]
Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth “within 50 miles of the present estimate.” [Encyclopedia Brittanica]
The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]
The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipseshadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]
The implication of a round earth is seen in the book of Luke, whereJesus described his return, Luke 17:31. Jesus said, “In that day,” then in verse 34, “In that night.” This is an allusion to light on one side of the globe and darkness on the other simultaneously. [JSM]
anonymous9887
bible reader
How about knowing the earth hangs on nothing and the universe keeps on expanding?
Saint_of_Me
Member
Many science guys, navigators and Astronomers knew the Earth was not flat duing biblical times.
So...AYN mention of this in the Bible is just an example--an all too rare one--where some religious zealot actually listened and learned form science, instead of wallowing in their own superstition.
The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth. [JSM]
Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth “within 50 miles of the present estimate.” [Encyclopedia Brittanica]
The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]
The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipseshadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]
So...AYN mention of this in the Bible is just an example--an all too rare one--where some religious zealot actually listened and learned form science, instead of wallowing in their own superstition.
The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth. [JSM]
Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth “within 50 miles of the present estimate.” [Encyclopedia Brittanica]
The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]
The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipseshadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]
anonymous9887
bible reader
How did isaiah in 730 B.C. know that Cyrus would overtake babylon. How did isaiah know ahead of time which cities babylon would defeat.
anonymous9887
bible reader
And I did not ignore your explanation, I take it as a possible explanation, but know my final question would be on prophecy now
anonymous9887
bible reader
Lol. First off your giving me points of view that are biased. Let me show you how to debate.lol. you don't give me the interpretation of a biased point of view. If you want to invalidate me, you are to provide an argument allow me or a Christian to rebuttal and invalidate the argument. LOL your not even attempting to allow us to explain, and you want to invalidate our argument with someone else's opinion.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
You mean except the one I provided that you're completely ignoring because it doesn't fit into your ridiculous beliefs?
anonymous9887
bible reader
No I'm not accepting it because men are interpreting what God is saying.
Saint_of_Me
Member
Really? A religious guy trying to give debate lessons?
This is like Paris Hilton giving a lecture on Astrophysics.
I arm ALL my opinions with facts, like the links I provide. You should read them.
I also follow exact guidelines of rhetoric and debate polices by invalidating your posts with, well, MORE facts, and showing you where your claims are Straw Man arguments. Like how I showed you that your biblical prophets needed no god to learn about a spherical Earth. I gave you links showing this.
You sound like somebody who is frustrated from getting whacked around in a debate, complaining about unfair tactics, When indeed anybody reading our exchanges can see what is REALLY going on. And that is, you are simply being bested, by deluded friend.
Just man up and admit it.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
That God you can't prove exists, you mean?
anonymous9887
bible reader
Ok explain how isaiah new ahead of time what would happen regarding Cyrus and babylon and all the cities babylon would defeat. Explain. 100 plus years in advance.
Monk Of Reason
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
I would do it for a Klondike bar.
anonymous9887
bible reader
You can't even admit that the interpretation you brought out is their interpretation. Show me that image anywhere in the bible. Oh yeah that's right its not in there.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
Whose interpretation? People? You might note that the image I provided was made by a RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION! You know, like the people who made up your stupid Bible and made up your ridiculous god. Geez, you're laughable.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Exactly it was a religous organization. Unless god has it in the bible himself, then you have no argument. Just because God used someone under inspiration to record his message doesn't mean they fully understood it.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Ok man, there is nothing further to discuss with you.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
Because, as with all theists, you've failed so utterly that you've become a parody of yourself.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Sure buddy. Have a great day.