What would the world be like without religion?

[URAVIP2ME]

The question should be, what would the world be like without irrational religions. People will always wonder where the universe came from and what happens to us if we die. But too many people want the answers they want to hear, and nobody wants to hear that nobody knows and probably never will. It's all mumbo jumbo for millennia from there.

I find that Jesus knows:
* Without irrational religions the world would be like Revelation 22:2 that there will be healing for earth's nations.
* The universe (material creation) came from God's 'power and strength' (His dynamic energy) according to Isaiah 40:26.
* Jesus teaches what happens at death is that we are in an unconscious sleep-like state at John 11:11-14.
Jesus was well educated in the OT which also teaches sleep in death at Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4.

 

[Ingledsva]

A point for sure, but 800 million plus productive people, most of whom lived before (modern) contraception (there was always the tried and trusted crocodile dung and olive oil, or alum paste) would have had a sizeable impact on population growth.

As you showed there, the ancients had contraceptives that worked. Orange and lemon peel were used as cervical caps, etc. Some even had pregnancy tests.

There are archaeology articles about plants no longer in existence because they used them for contraceptives. They over used them - and they no longer exist.

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[Ingledsva]

Yes, i have crossed swords with many fundamentalists who claims circular (2D) really meant spherical (3D).

We know it meant a round flat circle because the word means to scribe a circle, and they have a different word for spherical things.

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The word translated as circle is chûg - which means a flat scribed circle. = Plant a stick, tie on twine, walk in a circle at the end of the twine, scribing a circle in the dirt.

The word used for a sphere is dur, and can also be found in Isaiah.

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[Ingledsva]

I don't know which of the scandinavian countries you are thinking about, but word has it that they are far less religious than the number of nominal members of their national christian churches would indicate at first glance.

Yep, there was actually a news program that said some of those Nordic countries in the ancient past, - to prevent more deaths from Christians, - agreed to baptize their children as Christians, - as long as they could practice their own Pagan religion at home.

Thus today we have Nordic countries were we are told they have major Christian populations, - but in reality ALL children are counted Christian at birth by law, - even though they are not.

Thus the actual conditions in those countries = no church attendance- churches are closing, - the open rise today of their traditional religions, marriage is falling by the wayside, people are happy and prosperous, etc.

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[Mohsen]

no religion = no accountability. Belief in an afterlife and judgement stops many believers from committing crimes because they believe in God, judgement and afterlife. With that taken away, you'd need a lot more policing and a LOT more resourcing - from a pool of humans who "know no better" because that Caveat was taken away.

We need God. We need religion. Without it - your very purpose for posting would not exist either.

thank you for listening/reading.

 

[metis]

What do you think the world would be like without religion? Please explain.

Worse off, most likely. Even though religion all too often leads to divisions that can lead to conflict, nevertheless it does teach humanistic morality most of the time.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

no religion = no accountability. Belief in an afterlife and judgement stops many believers from committing crimes because they believe in God, judgement and afterlife. With that taken away, you'd need a lot more policing and a LOT more resourcing - from a pool of humans who "know no better" because that Caveat was taken away.

We need God. We need religion. Without it - your very purpose for posting would not exist either.

thank you for listening/reading.

My "very purpose for posting"? Oh please do tell, seeing how you know me so well.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Worse off, most likely. Even though religion all too often leads to divisions that can lead to conflict, nevertheless it does teach humanistic morality most of the time.

I am not convinced of that, as many non-religious people live peaceful and moral lives already.

 

[metis]

I am not convinced of that, as many non-religious people live peaceful and moral lives already.

I'm not implying otherwise. On many a thread I have stated that I believe much of human morality is tied up in our genes, which is characteristic of social animals.

See my faith statement on the bottom of this post for a bit more where I'm coming from.

 

[LuisDantas]

no religion = no accountability. Belief in an afterlife and judgement stops many believers from committing crimes because they believe in God, judgement and afterlife. With that taken away, you'd need a lot more policing and a LOT more resourcing - from a pool of humans who "know no better" because that Caveat was taken away.

We need God. We need religion. Without it - your very purpose for posting would not exist either.

thank you for listening/reading.

I hear such statements fairly often. They still surprise me. I don't think I would want to live very close to people who actually needed that kind of curbing to behave in a civil manner.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I have also heard as flat as a pancake. There is a Hebrew word chug or hhug as used at Job 22:14; Isaiah 40:22.
That word has been translated into English at vault. A vault is Not flat. Also translated as sphere. A sphere is Not flat, as Earth is an oblate spheroid. Also, Proverbs 8:27 speaks of the horizon. ( KJV uses the word compass ) The horizon has a circular bend to it. The word rotund also matches and that is where the Rotunda building got its name.

The shape of the earth is not that of a vault, nor did anybody claim it was. Chug is circle or horizon as well.

It is He who sits הַיֹּשֵׁב֙ hai·yo·shev 3427 to sit, remain, dwell a prim. root
above עַל־ al- 5921 upon, above, over from alah
the circle ח֣וּג chug 2329 vault, horizon from chug
of the earth, הָאָ֔רֶץ ha·'a·retz, 776 earth, land a prim. root

The Hebrews had a separate word for sphere or ball, dur (kadur is like a ball)

6801 [e] ṣā-nō-wp̄ צָנ֤וֹף He will surely
6801 [e] yiṣ-nā-p̄ə-ḵā יִצְנָפְךָ֙ violently turn
6802 [e] ṣə-nê-p̄āh, צְנֵפָ֔ה toss
1754 [e] kad-dūr כַּדּ֕וּר [like] you a ball

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Worse off, most likely. Even though religion all too often leads to divisions that can lead to conflict, nevertheless it does teach humanistic morality most of the time.

Secular humanist and Christian values come into conflict in multiple places. I consider humanistic values not only more moral, but humanists embody their stated values better than their Christian counterparts.

If you consider contemporary America, who embodies the Golden Rule better, Christians, who are largely conservatives voting for the likes of Bush and Trump and the Republican Congress busy whittling away at the common man's social safety net and trying desperately to rescind freedoms like the right to choose and abortion and the right to choose a same sec marriage.

Who is closer to treating others as they would like to be treated, Christians or humanists? The church would invade government and use its force and power to impose what it thinks is the will of Jesus on us all if it could. Do you disagree? And if so, which of us will stand for tolerance and plurality?

 

[Ingledsva]

no religion = no accountability. Belief in an afterlife and judgement stops many believers from committing crimes because they believe in God, judgement and afterlife. With that taken away, you'd need a lot more policing and a LOT more resourcing - from a pool of humans who "know no better" because that Caveat was taken away.

We need God. We need religion. Without it - your very purpose for posting would not exist either.

thank you for listening/reading.

Hello New Member.

I believe humans can do just fine without religion.

We have reached a point in evolution where we have enough brain power, and understanding of Human Rights, - to work it out.

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[Mohsen]

There would be no RF,


My "very purpose for posting"? Oh please do tell, seeing how you know me so well.

Did I quote you? Lol no. Therefore I do not know you, let alone know you so well. Your overly sensitive nature and sarcasm can sit themselves down.

Peace

 

[Mohsen]

Hello New Member.

I believe humans can do just fine without religion.

We have reached a point in evolution where we have enough brain power, and understanding of Human Rights, - to work it out.

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Hi there,

I can respectfully disagree as I have to date found no evidence which is convincing me that humans "evolved".

Peace

 

[Mohsen]

I hear such statements fairly often. They still surprise me. I don't think I would want to live very close to people who actually needed that kind of curbing to behave in a civil manner.

The irony is that you do live among us. So what you want is neither here nor there right now.

Peace

 

[LuisDantas]

The irony is that you do live among us. So what you want is neither here nor there right now.

Peace

I doubt it, brother.

Quite frankly, I think you are selling yourself and many others way short.

 

[England my lionheart]

Yes, this religious world is a great catalyst because the corrupted religious is wedded to the political ' kings ' rulers.
The world's religions thinks that she sits as some sort of religious ' queen '. ( Rev. 17:1-2; 18:7,9 )
She would like to make public policy with the political world by having a union of church and state even to the point of crowning or dethroning rulers, and by wrongly meddling in world affairs the religions causes attention to themselves.
The United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today world. That anti-religious atmosphere is growing in feelings and attitudes. With backing the U.N. can be strengthened to turn on the religious world. Trouble-causing religion has put herself on the U.N. radar, and until the political turns on the religious there is No hope that rationality and reason will return to humanity.

But isn't north Korea political,that what I meant,if there was no religion politics would still be around.

 

[ChristineM]

As you showed there, the ancients had contraceptives that worked. Orange and lemon peel were used as cervical caps, etc. Some even had pregnancy tests.

There are archaeology articles about plants no longer in existence because they used them for contraceptives. They over used them - and they no longer exist.

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Yet the birth rate in ancient times far exceeded that of today, even factoring in infant mortality the world population has steadily increased for thousands of years.

 

[ChristineM]

We know it meant a round flat circle because the word means to scribe a circle, and they have a different word for spherical things.

Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The word translated as circle is chûg - which means a flat scribed circle. = Plant a stick, tie on twine, walk in a circle at the end of the twine, scribing a circle in the dirt.

The word used for a sphere is dur, and can also be found in Isaiah.

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I think "also" is the key here.