What would you do?

[Unveiled Artist]

I know I didn't think of a snazzy title. This is probably a repeat from an actual thread. Whichever, I don't remember so I don't have time to find any threads to care if it is or not.

My question is: if you have a job like mine where you get fired on the spot for helping a resident from an elevator or see her die, which would you do help her? or not help her?​

Most companies in the U.S. have liability clauses. Some of us say "well, we don't want X person to sue us" and the list goes on.

What are your morals on the issue regardless of what the consequence or benefit would be?​

 

[McBell]

I would most likely help them.
Though, it depends upon the circumstances.

 

[psychoslice]

Sometimes people have to just save themselves.

 

[Aiviu]

What are your morals on the issue regardless of what the consequence or benefit would be?​

1. The poll's question is sick as these sue preventing clauses.

If i fear the consequence i hold back and think. The longer i think, the longer i look. The longer i look, the lesser actions i'll take. Well, probably a random selfie would ease my mind to show how much empathy i had "Elevator sux YOLO! OXOX". We look and try not think that we doing it wrong. There is no moral from others up on you. No one requires to help but yourself. What about "Well, i helped because of self-defense for my mental health." Could i sue the company for making me mentally ill with these clause?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

WHY are we even bothered about purely material concerns here when actually someones LIFE IS AT RISK !!!

Do any of you know your own SOUL..?...Like DIRECTLY..??....

For those that do there would be no hesitation at all - not even a thought of it... See someone who is in a life threatening situation - and you ACT - period - full stop - ALWAYS act - and your Soul will COMPEL you to act IMMEDIATELY !!

Even if they was your enemy - still I tell you clearly - you WILL act to save them - if you know your Soul at all and pay heed to it then you know your Soul would have it no other way and will just over ride all these petty mortal concerns in an instant and compel you to act immediately...LIFE is SACRED...To place your material worldly concerns first - oh dont act to help I will get sued and fired - RIDICULOUS - so WHAT - let them fire you - let them sue you - that is THEIR shame - but look - it is YOUR shame if you fail to help those who need you - shows the state of mind to be purely mortal, placing own societal welfare above the LIFE of another....

Take RESPONSIBILITY for your Self(s) - act in accord with that which you TRULY feel...KNOW THY SELF.....To place material concerns above a persons life brings great shame and dishonours your Soul - ALWAYS act in accord with the Souls directive despite how the world may judge or treat you for it - indeed, dont even pay mind to the world and its judgements - just do that which you inherantly know to be Just.....Follow that INNER guide always.....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I would most likely help them.
Though, it depends upon the circumstances.

If you were the only one to help them, what circumstances would that be?

 

[Thief]

I'd save his life and then lie about it

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hi Folks..

WHY are we even bothered about purely material concerns here when actually someones LIFE IS AT RISK !!!

Do any of you know your own SOUL..?...Like DIRECTLY..??....

For those that do there would be no hesitation at all - not even a thought of it... See someone who is in a life threatening situation - and you ACT - period - full stop - ALWAYS act - and your Soul will COMPEL you to act IMMEDIATELY !!

Even if they was your enemy - still I tell you clearly - you WILL act to save them - if you know your Soul at all and pay heed to it then you know your Soul would have it no other way and will just over ride all these petty mortal concerns in an instant and compel you to act immediately...LIFE is SACRED...To place your material worldly concerns first - oh dont act to help I will get sued and fired - RIDICULOUS - so WHAT - let them fire you - let them sue you - that is THEIR shame - but look - it is YOUR shame if you fail to help those who need you - shows the state of mind to be purely mortal, placing own societal welfare above the LIFE of another....

Take RESPONSIBILITY for your Self(s) - act in accord with that which you TRULY feel...KNOW THY SELF.....To place material concerns above a persons life brings great shame and dishonours your Soul - ALWAYS act in accord with the Souls directive despite how the world may judge or treat you for it - indeed, dont even pay mind to the world and its judgements - just do that which you inherantly know to be Just.....Follow that INNER guide always.....

I agree completely. Here's a thought and experience that we (we employees) face when it comes to this.

We help seniors if they become sick and pull the emergency cord. So, one day the buzzer went off, I did my job, went with my cell phone and EMS on the phone. The lady was on the ground, could barely get up and talk, and I didn't know if she was having a stroke or just fell. However, if I touched her at all, and my job knew, they would have fired me.

Now, if the EMS told me to do X, I'd have a first thought, then I'd override my job, and do what the EMS said. They took thirty minutes to get to our residence. So the whole time, I'm calling 911, telling them "hey! I don't know what to do. Get your... self... (in a professional manner, of course) over here." They came. They walked up the stairs. They took their time.

I have seizures so they know me by heart. My seizures aren't life threatening. So, I'm their "regular." Maybe she is too, I wouldn't know.

I know if someone helped me, I wouldn't sue. People help me all the time not knowing that my seizure lasts less than a minute.

However, a life and death decision, what would you do if the EMS wasn't on the phone?

With the eleveter sitation, if the buzzer goes off we have to calm the person stuck in the elaveter down. Now that's fine. Then you go the "How would I save her" rather than should I?

Then after thinking about past experiences with the EMS, how would you go about the situation?

 

[McBell]

If you were the only one to help them, what circumstances would that be?

To many variables to list.
How about you give as many specifics as you can from the incident you got in mind and we go from there?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To many variables to list.
How about you give as many specifics as you can from the incident you got in mind and we go from there?

Nothing specific. A life is in danger. You have the choice to save his life or let him die. In my case, I would be fired on the spot if I even went towards the guy to save him. I have moral circumstances I personally Would Not let the guy die.

You disagree. Support why?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I'd save the person: in an emergency you shouldn't be thinking about consequences, except in extreme cases — don't jump in the river if you can't swim.

This would seem to be a US dilemma. In Europe, sacking some-one for saving a person in danger would count as wrongful dismissal. In countries like France (and Canada?) it's actually a criminal offence to fail to aid a person in danger if it can be done without physical risk.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Carlita; Your situation sounds very similar to my wife actually, though we are in the UK and the laws seem to be somewhat different - though here too there is a growing culture of "sue first ask questions later" - especially medical cases of course......Its all very sad...

My wife works with the elderly, runs a kitchen at an old folks home, and previously has many years direct expereince as a residential care giver, trained to give medication, basic first aid - yet where she is now they too tell her adamantly to NEVER touch the old folks no matter what happens.......She just laughed at them, and gives of herself freely whenever she is needed to in n whatever way she is needed to...There is no way could she sit by while someone under her responsibility was suffering, dying.....

I think thats the key Folks...RESPONSIBILITY...To my mind - as someone who knows their own Soul - embraces it - I see that I have a direct responsibility to EVERYONE around me..I am an eternal Soul - and when we realise this about the Self we also realise the only possible way to achieve any level of true happiness - is indeed - to HELP OTHERS to come to the same Self realisation...That requires direct interaction always..If we want this world to become a better place, in EVERY way - then there is to be no sitting passively by and allowing bad things to happen.....

How to say it..?...Everyone is somewhat - asleep - to themselves and their surroundings...Sometimes they get themselves in all manner of personal difficulty - and sometimes of course - old age especially - life itself causes such difficulty directly....It is our responsibility to relieve their suffering as much as we can whenever we can...And it really is that simple..Whether that needs a simple spoken word interaction to influence a mind - or whether that needs a direct hands on intervention to save a life - all the same - whenever there is someone there in front of you that NEEDS you - then your own Soul will prompt you how to respond directly - follow THAT guide always...

Dont even pay any mind to the mortal world - just learn to listen to that inner voice always....Everything else seems to just fall into place - job money home all of it -stop stressing about it all - and allow the guide to lead for a change...Youll (all) KNOW when to act - what to say - what is appropriate - learn to trust its guidance...Such surface mind thoughts - worry I get sued or sacked etc etc - these can only hinder the truth within - and if you allow them dominance they will drown out the Soul completely....Pay them no mind....

As I write this - I cant help but think of my mate Christ of course - and Im tempted to quote some things He said directly - but I guess we all get the idea - we KNOW how to act dont we..?..We KNOW what is right and proper dont we..?....Try not to let the world scare us away from that eternal truth of Self...No matter what the world out there says - pay attention to that iner guide instead - always, HE said.....

 

[LuisDantas]

I honestly don't know what I would do.

Presumably it would depend on how much of a choice to avoid that risk I felt the person would have.

Of course, I would feel the moral duty to try and avoid being in such a situation again if I could help it. Probably by seeking another job.

 

[McBell]

Nothing specific. A life is in danger. You have the choice to save his life or let him die. In my case, I would be fired on the spot if I even went towards the guy to save him. I have moral circumstances I personally Would Not let the guy die.

You disagree. Support why?

I flat out said it is contingent on the specifics you refuse to offer up.

How you get from that that I disagree with anything is beyond me.

 

[Quintessence]

WHY are we even bothered about purely material concerns here when actually someones LIFE IS AT RISK !!!

Can you explain to me how having a job/career is a "purely material" concern?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I misread. Why do you always need to challenge my threads and replies?

I would most likely help them.Though, it depends upon the circumstances.

Why would it depend on the circumstances? What circunstances that you would wadger a person's life on?

To many variables to list. How about you give as many specifics as you ca

I gave you my view. If you can give me some examples of your position and reasons, the conversation can continue on both ends.

Until then, what specific reasons do you want other than my moral view of taking a life is wrong?

Its not a onesided conversation here.

 

[McBell]

I misread. Why do you always need to challenge my threads and replies?

So sorry.
I was unaware you were not up to having your ideas challenged.

Unfortunately, that means the rest of your post is rather confusing.
Do you want to discourse or do you not?

Why would it depend on the circumstances? What circunstances that you would wadger a person's life on?

There are loads of circumstances where I would not help someone.
Again, to many variables to list.
And I am not talking about "wagering" anything.
There are loads of situations where I would flat out not help them.
In fact, there are some situations where I would pull a gun and shoot them to end their suffering.

I gave you my view. If you can give me some examples of your position and reasons, the conversation can continue on both ends.

Until then, what specific reasons do you want other than my moral view of taking a life is wrong?

Its not a onesided conversation here.

You seem to be confusing my wanting specific scenarios with my questioning your morals?

I am not questioning your morals.
I am merely pointing out that there are loads of situations where I would not help and even situations where I would attempt to kill them to alleviate suffering.

How you got the idea that I am questioning your morals is beyond me.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Quintessence;

Can you explain to me how having a job/career is a "purely material" concern?

Isnt it obvious then..?...SOULS dont worry about such things do they..?..Only MORTALS do..Therefore as I said, IF you know your own Soul intimately, then IT will be guiding you and such mortal concerns wouldnt even enter into it...

You (all) are NOT a mortal person - this life is NOT that important at all - it only seems this way while you ae trapped inside your body - but trust me you ARE an ETERNAL Being - and when you (all) realise that, then the mortal outlook will change accordingly...

Indeed - as I hinted at above - when you DO come to this Self realisation - in a genuine way - you will find that ACTUALLY - the world out there is now WORKING FOR YOU - and it WILL bring you exactly that which you need ALWAYS - IF you allow it of course....The trick is as said - come to know the Self fully - no more hiding - no more lying to the Self - such as here - telling the little self that our mortal concerns are more important than another Souls LIFE !! The mortal mind ALWAYS tricks and deceives inthat selfish manner - therefore again as said - seek always that inner guide found deep beneath the surface mind here..MEND the broken mind we currently use and remember the Self always...

This mind - our Soul - remains ALWAYS - a part of a SINGLE UNIFIED CREATION....All seperation is ILLUSION....When you can (all) conviince your Self of this fully - then indeed, your individual mind here will begin to influence the world out there - and quite naturally, the world out there will follow your every prompt and align to bring about YOUR Will and desire........Therefore dont even have any mortal concerns - just trust that you are already provided for, literally everything you need is already present here - and the more you allow that trust the more quicker and more tangeable the results become...

You ARE A SELF CREATED BEING - your very mind is ALWAYS influencing the world around...If you worry and fret all day long about mortal concerns - then indeed that is ALL you will create for your Self - situations that ALLOW that stress to become realised - as in lilterally MADE REAL....Whatever you pay your mind to will become REAL to you - you will literally CREATE it in your life..so therefore ONLY pay mind to your eternal nature - make the SOUL to be real here in the world and allow THAT to guide this process always..

This process of Self creation is UNSTOPPABLE - never ending..MIND creates EVERYTHING - this is the essential truth of that which we ignorantly call KARMA - therefore to get life to follow our desires we must first do as my mate advised - come to KNOW THY SELF HE said - fully,completely - master your own mind first and you will naturally master your Karma - your Self Creation process will become more efficient and the world out there will indeed change to bring you that which you ordained..

Therefore just try not to worry at all - but seek always to come to this Self realisation AS an eternal Soul - that is just for now - temporarily - Being a Human - and when you realise that YES - it IS ONLY a temporary situation, and you are NOT the body or the circumstance of this life - then you will finally be free and will claim back your own authority...

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'd threaten to alert the media if my employer threatened to fire me for saving someone's life.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thank you. You will notice tbat when you are talking about something sensitive to others, you are also addressing their morals. Especially on an RF site, you will find subjects of this nature based on the morals as support rather than Just hard stone scenarios. Cant separate a person from their morals (or however they can it themselves.)

Unfortunately, that means the rest of your post is rather confusing. Do you want to discourse or do you not?

You can challenge what I say. I dont care for sarcasm. Real debates dont have saracasm. You present an argument and/or question, give your points or support, and the opposing part gives his points and support. They cross examine each other but in technical procedure, they dont put down comments without clarification. Also there isnt saracasm. Its not a "I Win". Thats an argument. Thats not a debate.

I rather discuss. The difference between debate and discuss is we dont Need to always support our statements. Thats where we can be acceptive (not challenge) each others points of view.

From your approach, it seems you are interested in debate not discussion. My position is supported by my morals. I cant separate the two. Ill give you a couple of scenarios below.

There are loads of situations where I would flat out not help them.
In fact, there are some situations where I would pull a gun and shoot them to end their suffering.

Other than self defense or defending another person, I personally cant figure why I can do that by pre-thought or choice.

Can you give at least one example if it is not self defense or saving others? Doesnt need to be many. Just one so I get an idea.

You seem to be confusing my wanting specific scenarios with my questioning your morals?

Yes. Deciding who should live or die is a moral question. The OP wasnt a technical question. Even so, pur decisions are usually what are based on what we value or see as a priorty. Unless we have no morals. Even serial killers have morals. So, dont understand how you (assuming) can separate it.

How you got the idea that I am questioning your morals is beyond me.

Above.