BeautifulMind
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What characteristics would you factor in to determine if something is real? Not necessarily religion, but anything.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Must be detectable with all Five main senses.If it is a Gas it must be compressable to a liquid or solid.
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Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
I agree, when was the last time you heard or smelt the moon for instance?nutshell said:Surely, there are real things that are not detectable with ALL five senses???
I'd like to agree with Aqualung, but i can't because its Aqualung
You can never know if anything is actually real. Why? Because everything you perceive with your senses is first processed in your brain, during that processing mistakes are made, eg. seeing things, paranoia etc. The world is all your mind's interpretation of the limited information it receives via quite limited sensory organs. No-one can ever know what the world is really like. Real is only an illusion.
How philosophical was that?
Fascist Christ
Active Member
Reality is perception.
robtex
Veteran Member
Various ways:
As others say, that which is detectable by the 5 senses. The more senses that could detect it the more validity it would achieve and the longer the detection the more validity it would achieve.
Deduction would be the second componet. The deduction taken from what is known and can be verified. It would have to fit within the context of that which was already known. Non validaded deductions would be speculation which may or may not have validity but could not be escalated to the notion of "real" until which time the deduction could be verified.
For instance,
Buddy my poodle is real because I can see smell and hear him sleeping under my chair (he snores). Skippy his brother is dead. Skippy's death is real because he was found on a highway (years ago) crushed and not breathing. I know from deduction that animals on a road crushed and not breathing are likly hit by a car. A deduction. His breathing never resumed and thus I am deducitng he died based on the past information that living animals (including humans) need to breathe to live.
Deduction I can see a watertower from my window. I don't see the water but can deduce it is a water tower since I understand what the blueprint for one looks like and the tower outside my window matches the blueprint.
Deduction People in Germany live in Europe. From maps made out of observation in the world the majority of people have agreed that the land below poland and next to france is germany. The people who live there agree it is Germany and the majority of the world through personal observation and deliberation have decided it is Germany.
As others say, that which is detectable by the 5 senses. The more senses that could detect it the more validity it would achieve and the longer the detection the more validity it would achieve.
Deduction would be the second componet. The deduction taken from what is known and can be verified. It would have to fit within the context of that which was already known. Non validaded deductions would be speculation which may or may not have validity but could not be escalated to the notion of "real" until which time the deduction could be verified.
For instance,
Buddy my poodle is real because I can see smell and hear him sleeping under my chair (he snores). Skippy his brother is dead. Skippy's death is real because he was found on a highway (years ago) crushed and not breathing. I know from deduction that animals on a road crushed and not breathing are likly hit by a car. A deduction. His breathing never resumed and thus I am deducitng he died based on the past information that living animals (including humans) need to breathe to live.
Deduction I can see a watertower from my window. I don't see the water but can deduce it is a water tower since I understand what the blueprint for one looks like and the tower outside my window matches the blueprint.
Deduction People in Germany live in Europe. From maps made out of observation in the world the majority of people have agreed that the land below poland and next to france is germany. The people who live there agree it is Germany and the majority of the world through personal observation and deliberation have decided it is Germany.
mr.guy
crapsack
robtex...
Most of your examples are a little too empirical to deal with reality at large. I understand you're mostly explaining deduction (and induction), but they seem best for qualitative attributes of something already hinting at reality. The notion that everything more or less exists as it is or at all is the first presupposition. Everything else as you've listed can follow, though absurd.
Alternatively, one could also toss Berkley around and see what sticks....
Most of your examples are a little too empirical to deal with reality at large. I understand you're mostly explaining deduction (and induction), but they seem best for qualitative attributes of something already hinting at reality. The notion that everything more or less exists as it is or at all is the first presupposition. Everything else as you've listed can follow, though absurd.
Alternatively, one could also toss Berkley around and see what sticks....
Perhaps; since Rob is now offline, and you have made a pertinent point, perhaps you would answer the following question which I would have asked Rob;SnaleSpace said:
Do you trust N.A,S.A ?
Do you trust all who use MRI scanning machines, and decide on the state of your health as results of the scan ? (There are many more examples, of course)