What's more believable; Aliens or God?

[Daviso452]

Basically what the title says. I'll add my opinion then you guys can discuss.

I consider Aliens more believable for a couple of reasons.

1) Our own existence. We exist, so we are proof that life is possible. What is to say that earth is the only place where life has started?

2) Aliens exist inside our own universe. We know our universe exists. We are in it. We are part of it. If aliens exist, then they would be part of it. God however, would not be. In order for god to be real, there must be some place outside of our universe. Sure, we have no reason to believe there isn't. But then again, there is no reason to believe there is. In order to believe in god, you must assume that there is somewhere else without reason to believe there is. But if you believe in aliens, you have to believe they are in our universe, which we know exists.


P.S. For Esalem; the statement that "aliens exists in our universe" is an example of Forer effect. If aliens were real, they wouldn't have to be in our universe. They could exists in a different dimension entirely. But for the sake of this discussion, I was referring to aliens inside our reality without specifically saying so.

 

[Willamena]

"God," by far.

Take the world and subtract eveything. You get nothing. Including aliens.

Take that and subtract nothing, you get "god." It would seem "god" trumps all existence.*

*I never got the meaning of "trump" in card games until I got this.

 

[outhouse]

Well aliens actually could exist, its not our fault we are so primitive we cant get off our rock to explore.

That and we are so primitive we still make up imaginitive father figures, the exact same way our ancient anscestors did and the majority of modern people still believe in these mythical charactors.

 

[kai]

if god isn't a terrestrial life form , wouldn't he/she/it/ be an alien

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You probably think of aliens as the ones from the media; anthropomorphic, little, green men with superpowers.

Well, in that case I agree that's unlikely. But now if you think of how large the universe, how many rocks there are breaking apart, expanding, then you will see it is not at all unlikely, in fact it is very much likely that there is some sort of living organism out there, there are probably many, one might even be as advanced as man (in a way that is not a part of human culture, in their own way)

It could even be a living cell out there living on an asteroid, or a plant.


Now for God? The size of our place in the universe tells a little bit more about us than I can put into descriptive manner. We are nothing, we are small yet believe we are large. We are smaller than we can ever imagine, but we think a God hovers around us and cares about us. Why give something smaller than a split of an electron a mystical experience or understand your problems or answer your prayers?

 

[Daviso452]

You probably think of aliens as the ones from the media; anthropomorphic, little, green men with superpowers.

Well, in that case I agree that's unlikely. But now if you think of how large the universe, how many rocks there are breaking apart, expanding, then you will see it is not at all unlikely, in fact it is very much likely that there is some sort of living organism out there, there are probably many, one might even be as advanced as man (in a way that is not a part of human culture, in their own way)

It could even be a living cell out there living on an asteroid, or a plant.


Now for God? The size of our place in the universe tells a little bit more about us than I can put into descriptive manner. We are nothing, we are small yet believe we are large. We are smaller than we can ever imagine, but we think a God hovers around us and cares about us. Why give something smaller than a split of an electron a mystical experience or understand your problems or answer your prayers?

No, that's not what I mean. I just mean some other life form. Does not have to be carbon-based. But I am referring to aliens without our own universe. Aliens outside our universe are a different discussion entirely.

 

[Daviso452]

"God," by far.

Take the world and subtract eveything. You get nothing. Including aliens.

Take that and subtract nothing, you get "god." It would seem "god" trumps all existence.*

*I never got the meaning of "trump" in card games until I got this.

Or you could take the world subtract everything and just have nothing. It doesn't mean you get God. God is not proven to exist; neither are aliens. My point is that since our life exists, it is possible that our same carbon-based life exists somewhere else in our universe, where god would have to be outside of it.

The whole basis of my argument is what is more believable; something that is proven (our universe) or something that is unproven (God). Aliens are just my method of getting that point across.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

No, that's not what I mean. I just mean some other life form. Does not have to be carbon-based. But I am referring to aliens without our own universe. Aliens outside our universe are a different discussion entirely.

What do you mean by outside our universe? We don't even know if there is an outside.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

God is not proven to exist; neither are aliens..

That's incorrect:

Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Daviso452]

What do you mean by outside our universe? We don't even know if there is an outside.

I know. I guess I got confused by what you mean.

 

[Daviso452]

That's incorrect:

Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That isn't evidence of the existence of aliens. That's the probability they exist.

 

[outhouse]

That isn't evidence of the existence of aliens. That's the probability they exist.

correct :yes:

 

[Daviso452]

correct :yes:

I can't tell. Is that meant to be a "dur" comment or was it genuine? Can't tell sometimes.

 

[Orias]

I kind of laughed when I read the title to this thread.

Aliens can a Mexican on German territory, or a being from outside our planet.

Its hard to tell what's more believable when they both exist.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

That's incorrect:

Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What? An equation can't prove anything. More importantly, any "equation" designed to determine the probability of intelligent life (or any life) on other planets depends upon a multitude of assumptions. And once can just as easily cite the anthropic principle (in its various forms) to support the improbability of life elsewhere in the universe.

 

[Daviso452]

I kind of laughed when I read the title to this thread.

Aliens can a Mexican on German territory, or a being from outside our planet.

Its hard to tell what's more believable when they both exist.

Extra terrestrial aliens. Sorry.

What is with you and semantics?

 

[Orias]

Extra terrestrial aliens. Sorry.

What is with you and semantics?

Ha, I use every part of every definition.

I enjoy contradictions

 

[Kerr]

Basically what the title says. I'll add my opinion then you guys can discuss.

I consider Aliens more believable for a couple of reasons.

1) Our own existence. We exist, so we are proof that life is possible. What is to say that earth is the only place where life has started?

2) Aliens exist inside our own universe. We know our universe exists. We are in it. We are part of it. If aliens exist, then they would be part of it. God however, would not be. In order for god to be real, there must be some place outside of our universe. Sure, we have no reason to believe there isn't. But then again, there is no reason to believe there is. In order to believe in god, you must assume that there is somewhere else without reason to believe there is. But if you believe in aliens, you have to believe they are in our universe, which we know exists.


P.S. For Esalem; the statement that "aliens exists in our universe" is an example of Forer effect. If aliens were real, they wouldn't have to be in our universe. They could exists in a different dimension entirely. But for the sake of this discussion, I was referring to aliens inside our reality without specifically saying so.

It is common knowledge Vulcans will come when Zefram Cochrane invent warp drive with the help of Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise .

Seriously, though, I consider aliens to be more likely, mainly because it is a logical conclusion that if life can exist here it can exist somewhere else as well. Dont think it will be anything like in Star Trek, though, where most races looks more or less human and alien worlds looks like our backyards.

 

[Sgloom]

im far more likely to believe in the existance of extraterrestrial life than i am to believe in a god. with all of the hundreds of billions of planets, stars, galaxies. All the life on this planet alone is proof its possible.
So i think the probability is highly likely for life to exist elsewhere in the universe. There may be a god too, but im less likely to believe in that since i dont have much to go on. I definately dont believe in any of the gods man has made up so far. and i find it highly unlikely for one, but ill keep my mind open to the possibilty.

 

[Panda]

That's incorrect:

Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You know the Drake equation is useless yea?