What's the use of Climate Change?

[Thanda]

Let's just say current research suggests the problems outweigh the positives.

That's irrelevant - at least on this particular thread. This thread is for the specific purpose of exploring the positives and opportunities presented by global warming/climate change - however few they may be.

 

[Ouroboros]

If there are positives, what are they?

Another positive might be that we'll (the human species) develop new ways of surviving. Better housing. Better energy production. Better food production. And perhaps we'll even forced to move out in space.

 

[Quetzal]

That's irrelevant - at least on this particular thread. This thread is for the specific purpose of exploring the positives and opportunities presented by global warming/climate change - however few they may be.

That's just it, there might not be any, at least not at the current rate of escalation.

 

[Thanda]

Are you serious?

Just for illustration's sake, imagine how much of an upside there would be if, say, the soil that sustains residences moved around in random ways.

Is it really that straight forward or are positives something you honestly have never investigated?

 

[Ouroboros]

That's irrelevant - at least on this particular thread. This thread is for the specific purpose of exploring the positives and opportunities presented by global warming/climate change - however few they may be.

I think this is a great thread, and keep it focused on this. It's very rare that any potential positive aspects of global warming/change is brought up or discussed.

 

[Thanda]

That's just it, there might not be any, at least not at the current rate of escalation.

First you assert the negatives outweigh the positives (indicating that there are some positives). Then you assert that there probably aren't any. What this indicates to me is that you've never really investigated the possibility and like me you only ever hear of the tales of doom - like toxic food.

 

[Quetzal]

First you assert the negatives outweigh the positives (indicating that there are some positives). Then you assert that there probably aren't any. What this indicates to me is that you've never really investigated the possibility and like me you only ever hear of the tales of doom - like toxic food.

Easy Senator, this isn't a debate and it is clear no one has taken time to investigate the positives for the reasons I have described. Does that fully answer your question?

 

[LuisDantas]

Is it really that straight forward or are positives something you honestly have never investigated?

Of course I have not investigated it. It is just too absurd to consider.

 

[Quetzal]

Of course I have not investigated it. It is just too absurd to consider.

It appears the OP is trying to fabricate answers to fit their question despite there being no real reason to do it.

 

[Thanda]

Easy Senator, this isn't a debate and it is clear no one has taken time to investigate the positives for the reasons I have described. Does that fully answer your question?

Of course I have not investigated it. It is just too absurd to consider.

Well you guys are doing an excellent job of illustrating what I consider a weakness in the climate change movement.
Firstly refusing to see the positives and speaking only of the negatives makes it look like a fear mongering movement. It also makes it look slightly dishonest since it is clear on face value that there are currently large parts of the earth that have been uninhabitable by humans. Therefore there remains the possibility that as the climate changes, previously uninhabitable areas of the earth may become inhabitable even as previously habitable become uninhabitable. The importance of this is that there is no guarantee the movement will manage to convince the world in time to actually prevent many of the changes predicted. And if the movement fails it would help if in the meantime we have already explored the opportunities (however few) to prepare to take advantage of them when Armageddon happens. This is called being practical and prudent.

It's climate change after all and with every change there are opportunities.

 

[Thanda]

It appears the OP is trying to fabricate answers to fit their question despite there being no real reason to do it.

I'm trying to get you to expand your thinking.

 

[LuisDantas]

It appears the OP is trying to fabricate answers to fit their question despite there being no real reason to do it.

My thoughts exactly.

It sounds almost like a bad case of Gaia-belief.

 

[LuisDantas]

Well you guys are doing an excellent job of illustrating what I consider a weakness in the climate change movement.
Firstly refusing to see the positives

We are not "refusing to see the positives". We are accepting reality.

Before calling us fearmongers you might want to offer some evidence for your claims.

 

[Quetzal]

Well you guys are doing an excellent job of illustrating what I consider a weakness in the climate change movement.
Firstly refusing to see the positives and speaking only of the negatives makes it look like a fear mongering movement.

Luis and I are following evidence. A bit more than I can say for you.

It also makes it look slightly dishonest since it is clear on face value that there are currently large parts of the earth that have been uninhabitable by humans. Therefore there remains the possibility that as the climate changes, previously uninhabitable areas of the earth may become inhabitable even as previously habitable become uninhabitable.

Sure, but at what cost? It is like trying to find the health benefits of cancer. Sure, you will lose weight. But you still have cancer...

The importance of this is that there is no guarantee the movement will manage to convince the world in time to actually prevent many of the changes predicted.

Of course, but subscribing to blind optimism is not the answer. It is like saying you are happy your house caught on fire because now you can pick out different wallpaper.

It's climate change after all and with every change there are opportunities.

I appreciate the positive outlook, I really do. But my two previous metaphors apply here. Consider them and let me know what you think.

 

[Thanda]

We are not "refusing to see the positives". We are accepting reality.

Before calling us fearmongers you might want to offer some evidence for your claims.

Somebody in this very thread has already highlighted some of the positives that will come to England as a result of climate change. Another mentioned positive changes to some deserts.

Here some nuggets to chew on:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/10/carry-on-warming/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/10/carry-on-warming/

 

[Quetzal]

Somebody in this very thread has already highlighted some of the positives that will come to England as a result of climate change. Another mentioned positive changes to some deserts.

Here some nuggets to chew on:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/10/carry-on-warming/

You could have had a much more focused and productive discussion by leading with your evidence instead of waiting until page 3 to play your trump card.

 

[Thanda]

Luis and I are following evidence. A bit more than I can say for you.


Sure, but at what cost? It is like trying to find the health benefits of cancer. Sure, you will lose weight. But you still have cancer...


Of course, but subscribing to blind optimism is not the answer. It is like saying you are happy your house caught on fire because now you can pick out different wallpaper.


I appreciate the positive outlook, I really do. But my two previous metaphors apply here. Consider them and let me know what you think.

I'm not asking you to be blindly optimistic. I'm merely asking if there if there is no room for mild optimism. We should not be so paralyzed by predicting how terrible things will be that we fail to prepare for eventualities - good and bad.

I'm not a denier of climate change or global warming - but I just think it would be refreshing for us to look at the other side of the coin.

 

[Thanda]

You could have had a much more focused and productive discussion by leading with your evidence instead of waiting until page 3 to play your trump card.

This isn't my trump card. I only found this now after searching for a few minutes - I was hoping these things were common knowledge in the climate change fraternity.

 

[Quetzal]

I'm not asking you to be blindly optimistic. I'm merely asking if there if there is no room for mild optimism. We should not be so paralyzed by predicting how terrible things will be that we fail to prepare for eventualities - good and bad.

I'm not a denier of climate change or global warming - but I just think it would be refreshing for us to look at the other side of the coin.

You are still refusing to address any of my points and questions.

 

[Quetzal]

Actually, let's approach this differently since you have a preconceived notion about what I should be posting: