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What's wrong with those people who deify a man?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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The chances are Charlie Hebdo and the Danish Cartoons.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
You're not supposed to give away the exam answers.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
If you draw a picture of Muhammad and show it to the next Muslim you see. What are the chances he will kill you? Its probably next to nothing.
What are the chances that he will disapprove, though? And what would the reason be?
Edited to add: perhaps more to the point, we should also ask what would stop such a person from having too violent a reaction; what can be done when it happens anyway; and what other Muslims will do when it happens.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Not quite the creator, but most certainly his right hand man... er..... "prophet"....
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That is correct, the vast majority of Muslims would simply find it disrespectful.... because....
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I dont see an issue with deifying a man. Id be more focused on human sacrifice if I had a choice in putting down a religion.
You have a rather... strange way of interpreting things. It'd be less annoying if you didn't present it as if it were a matter of fact when it isn't.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well, it is a fact that many munchkins believe wholeheartedly in their visions of god(s), however that belief is in no way indicative of any inherent nature of reality.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I realize my clarity, cogency, and ability to strip things down to their fundamentals is unusual to the point of being strange, and can be agitating to many people. I apologize to anyone who suffers any emotional or psychological discomfort due to reading my posts.
In that case, it shouldn't be difficult for you to clearly and cogently explain how it is that your statement is true in spite of easily identifiable examples to the contrary?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
What examples?
Not sure I want to play this game with you. You made the claim - it's on you to prove that all gods with NO exceptions were created by human men (no women allowed!) and are psychological projections. Which is tantamount to needing to prove that the entire universe and all of reality is a psychological projection of male minds. Good luck.
But this is off-topic. No need to play the game at all here.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Yes. Do you see them praying to Muhammad as if he can respond to peoples prayers? No, Muslims does not want people fall into believing that Muhammad or any other human who walked this earth can respond to peoples prayers.
gnostic
The Lost One
It is true, that not every Muslims went on riots and violently vandalise buildings in their cities. But enough Muslims did such damages, which had nothing to do with cartoonists and the publisher.
One Syrian nun was murdered because of those cartoons, which she had nothing to do with.
The reaction of those who did cause damages or violence or death, showed that some Muslims do elevate Muhammad as being more than just a prophet. They have deified him, by causing destruction in his name.
Have you ever seen Jews causing such destruction over any cartoon about Moses?
And there have been many cartoons about Jesus (and his disciples) but I have not heard of any violent clashes over such satires about Jesus; no vandalism about any unflattering cartoon about Jesus; and certainly no death over a cartoon.
Augustus
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He can intercede on the day of Judgement though.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has informed us by way of Anas: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, “Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place.
Then they will go to Adam and say, ‘You are Adam, the father of the people. Allah created you with His Own Hand and made you reside in His Paradise and ordered His angels to prostrate before you, and taught you the names of all things will you intercede for us with your Lord so that He may relieve us from this place of ours? Adam will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking.’ He will mention his error which he committed, i.e., his eating off the tree though he had been forbidden to do so. He will add, ‘Go to Noah, the first prophet sent by Allah to the people of the Earth.’
The people will go to Noah who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking’ He will mention his error which he committed, i.e., his asking his Lord without knowledge.’ He will say (to them), ‘Go to Abraham, Khalil ar-Rahman.’ They will go to Abraham who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking. He would mention three words by which he was evasive, and say (to them). ‘Go to Moses, a slave whom Allah gave the Torah and spoke to directly and brought near Him, for conversation.’
They will go to Moses who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking. He will mention his error which he committed, i.e., killing a person, and will say (to them), ‘Go to Jesus, Allah’s slave and His messenger, and a soul created by Him and His Word “Be: And it is”. They will go to Jesus who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking but you’d better go to Muhammad the slave whose past and future sins have been forgiven by Allah.’ So they will come to me, and I will ask my Lord’s permission to enter His presence and then I will be permitted.
When I see Him I will fall down in prostration before Him, and He will leave me (in prostration) as long as He wills, and then He will say, ‘O Muhammad, lift up your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask (for anything) for it will be granted:’ Then I will raise my head and glorify my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me. Allah will put a limit for me (to intercede for a certain type of people) I will take them out and make them enter Paradise.” (Qatada said: I heard Anas saying that), the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “I will go out and take them out of Hell (Fire) and let them enter Paradise, and then I will return and ask my Lord for permission to enter His presence and I will be permitted.
When see Him I will fall down in prostration before Him and He will leave me in prostration as long as He wants me (in that state), and then He will say, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask, your request will be granted.’ ” The Prophet (Prayers and blessing of Allah be upon him) added, “So I will raise my head and glorify and praise Him as He has taught me.
Then I will intercede and He will put a limit for me (to intercede for a certain type of people). I will take them out and let them enter Paradise.” (Qatada added: I heard Anas saying that) the Prophet said, ‘I will go out and take them out of Hell (Fire) and let them enter Paradise, and I will return for the third time and will ask my Lord for permission to enter His presence and I will be allowed to enter.
When I see Him, I will fall down in prostration before Him, and will remain in prostration as long as He will, and then He will say, ‘Raise your head, O Muhammad, and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask, for your request will be granted.’ So I will raise my head and praise Allah as He has taught me and then I will intercede and He will put a limit for me (to intercede for a certain type of people). I will take them out and let them enter Paradise.”
Then they will go to Adam and say, ‘You are Adam, the father of the people. Allah created you with His Own Hand and made you reside in His Paradise and ordered His angels to prostrate before you, and taught you the names of all things will you intercede for us with your Lord so that He may relieve us from this place of ours? Adam will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking.’ He will mention his error which he committed, i.e., his eating off the tree though he had been forbidden to do so. He will add, ‘Go to Noah, the first prophet sent by Allah to the people of the Earth.’
The people will go to Noah who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking’ He will mention his error which he committed, i.e., his asking his Lord without knowledge.’ He will say (to them), ‘Go to Abraham, Khalil ar-Rahman.’ They will go to Abraham who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking. He would mention three words by which he was evasive, and say (to them). ‘Go to Moses, a slave whom Allah gave the Torah and spoke to directly and brought near Him, for conversation.’
They will go to Moses who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking. He will mention his error which he committed, i.e., killing a person, and will say (to them), ‘Go to Jesus, Allah’s slave and His messenger, and a soul created by Him and His Word “Be: And it is”. They will go to Jesus who will say, ‘I am not fit for this undertaking but you’d better go to Muhammad the slave whose past and future sins have been forgiven by Allah.’ So they will come to me, and I will ask my Lord’s permission to enter His presence and then I will be permitted.
When I see Him I will fall down in prostration before Him, and He will leave me (in prostration) as long as He wills, and then He will say, ‘O Muhammad, lift up your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask (for anything) for it will be granted:’ Then I will raise my head and glorify my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me. Allah will put a limit for me (to intercede for a certain type of people) I will take them out and make them enter Paradise.” (Qatada said: I heard Anas saying that), the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “I will go out and take them out of Hell (Fire) and let them enter Paradise, and then I will return and ask my Lord for permission to enter His presence and I will be permitted.
When see Him I will fall down in prostration before Him and He will leave me in prostration as long as He wants me (in that state), and then He will say, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask, your request will be granted.’ ” The Prophet (Prayers and blessing of Allah be upon him) added, “So I will raise my head and glorify and praise Him as He has taught me.
Then I will intercede and He will put a limit for me (to intercede for a certain type of people). I will take them out and let them enter Paradise.” (Qatada added: I heard Anas saying that) the Prophet said, ‘I will go out and take them out of Hell (Fire) and let them enter Paradise, and I will return for the third time and will ask my Lord for permission to enter His presence and I will be allowed to enter.
When I see Him, I will fall down in prostration before Him, and will remain in prostration as long as He will, and then He will say, ‘Raise your head, O Muhammad, and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask, for your request will be granted.’ So I will raise my head and praise Allah as He has taught me and then I will intercede and He will put a limit for me (to intercede for a certain type of people). I will take them out and let them enter Paradise.”
Tl;dr is that on the DOJ people will go to Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus, etc. and ask them to intercede and they will all say "I am not fit for this undertaking" [due to being imperfect]. Muhammad says "It's alright chaps, I got this one" and pops in to see Allah who says "O Muhammad, lift up your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask (for anything) for it will be granted".
By "Russian" I'm assuming you mean Russian Orthodoxy.
The point nonetheless is that your knowledge of Christianity is non-existent. Don't you think that as a result of your ignorance your picture of Christianity, yet alone Buddhism, may be somewhat distorted?
No of course not, you lack the self-awareness.
Mainstream Christian belief is that Jesus is God become man, not the other way around. Jesus was never deified because Jesus was always God. John 1:1-2, John 1:14
Saints are not deities, they are individuals whom the Church sets before the faithful as exemplars of Christian virtue. The saints, believed to be directly before God in Heaven are venerated. Just as you can ask another human being to help you accomplish a task, you can ask the saints for their help in living a good Christian life. Death is no barrier to this, because it is God's will for them to intercede for us. You do not cease to exist at death, there is no "lying in the grave" in orthodox Christianity.
Depends on the Church and rite. And no one commits to celibacy simply to be unique.
And now you've become incoherent.