What's wrong with those people who deify a man?

[sovietchild]

In Russian for example, they have pictures of Jesus, Mary and other high ranked saints in churches, so, people go to churches and pray to them. In Thailand, it’s very much similar practice, they have pictures or statues of Buddha and other high ranked individuals who walked this earth and passed away long time ago, people usually decorate those pictures with offerings. In Rome, just like in Russia and Thailand they have pictures of a man they deifying and other high ranked saints who served the club in churches.

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

Another thing that is very similar about those religious clubs is that all of the high rankers has to be single and has to abstain from sexual activities, as if they are the unique ones. It looks like to me, they want to be the fashioners and promote the fashion around the world. They want to be the inspirers of faith, the sources of peace, the shapers of beauty, the unique and the single ones, the rich ones, the everlasting ones and the makers of order. They think that they can archive the level of “The Responder of Prayer”. It’s like imitating God. Right? Allah is The Responder of Prayer. Allah is The Unique, The Single. Allah is The Fashioner and the Maker of Order.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In Russian for example, they have pictures of Jesus, Mary and other high ranked saints in churches, so, people go to churches and pray to them. In Thailand, it’s very much similar practice, they have pictures or statues of Buddha and other high ranked individuals who walked this earth and passed away long time ago, people usually decorate those pictures with offerings. In Rome, just like in Russia and Thailand they have pictures of a man they deifying and other high ranked saints who served the club in churches.

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

Another thing that is very similar about those religious clubs is that all of the high rankers has to be single and has to abstain from sexual activities, as if they are the unique ones. It looks like to me, they want to be the fashioners and promote the fashion around the world. They want to be the inspirers of faith, the sources of peace, the shapers of beauty, the unique and the single ones, the rich ones, the everlasting ones and the makers of order. They think that they can archive the level of “The Responder of Prayer”. It’s like imitating God. Right? Allah is The Responder of Prayer. Allah is The Unique, The Single. Allah is The Fashioner and the Maker of Order.

There isnt anything wrong with it if you have experienced the sacraments of christ. If not, well, I honestly dont know how you got that humans want to deify themselves because they did a man. And youre not talking about all christian denominations so maybe Id ask why christianity involves human sacrifice. Symbolic or not, thats worse than deifying someone especially when they cant defend hemselves.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In Russian for example, they have pictures of Jesus, Mary and other high ranked saints in churches, so, people go to churches and pray to them. In Thailand, it’s very much similar practice, they have pictures or statues of Buddha and other high ranked individuals who walked this earth and passed away long time ago, people usually decorate those pictures with offerings. In Rome, just like in Russia and Thailand they have pictures of a man they deifying and other high ranked saints who served the club in churches.

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

Another thing that is very similar about those religious clubs is that all of the high rankers has to be single and has to abstain from sexual activities, as if they are the unique ones. It looks like to me, they want to be the fashioners and promote the fashion around the world. They want to be the inspirers of faith, the sources of peace, the shapers of beauty, the unique and the single ones, the rich ones, the everlasting ones and the makers of order. They think that they can archive the level of “The Responder of Prayer”. It’s like imitating God. Right? Allah is The Responder of Prayer. Allah is The Unique, The Single. Allah is The Fashioner and the Maker of Order.

So you have a problem with people of other religions treating their leaders the way that Muslims treat Muhammad?

 

[sovietchild]

So you have a problem with people of other religions treating their leaders the way that Muslims treat Muhammad?

How do Muslims treat Muhammad? Its not allowed in Islam to draw a picture of Muhammad because they don't want people to start deifying him like they do elsewhere.

There isnt anything wrong with it if you have experienced the sacraments of christ. If not, well, I honestly dont know how you got that humans want to deify themselves because they did a man. And youre not talking about all christian denominations so maybe Id ask why christianity involves human sacrifice. Symbolic or not, thats worse than deifying someone especially when they cant defend hemselves.

Who says anything about human sacrifice? By offerings I meant food and candles.

 

[Stevicus]

How do Muslims treat Muhammad? Its not allowed in Islam to draw a picture of Muhammad because they don't want people to start deifying him like they do elsewhere.

Yes, but they kill people if they insult Muhammad. Sounds like deification to me.

 

[Ekleipsis]

It's the beard

It just commands power

 

[Quintessence]

There's nothing wrong with autotheism, nor with autotheists. That said, none of your examples in the OP are autotheism or of autotheists. But the more serious issue is the continued misrepresentation and misunderstanding of other cultural traditions. I'm a patient person, but I'm starting to run out of it.

 

[Father Heathen]

In Russian for example, they have pictures of Jesus, Mary and other high ranked saints in churches, so, people go to churches and pray to them. In Thailand, it’s very much similar practice, they have pictures or statues of Buddha and other high ranked individuals who walked this earth and passed away long time ago, people usually decorate those pictures with offerings. In Rome, just like in Russia and Thailand they have pictures of a man they deifying and other high ranked saints who served the club in churches.

Buddha isn't worshiped as a god in Buddhism. He even forbid it. He is highly revered as a teacher/leader, similar to how Muhammad is in Islam.

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

I doubt you did much thinking to come to that conclusion. It's absolutely nonsensical. A desire to worship involves humility. A desire to be worshiped involves egoism.

 

[EtuMalku]

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

First off Buddhists are not deifying the Buddha. Secondly, Christians believe Jesus to be more than a man, he is the son of their God. These religious groups are not self-deifying, that would be the realm of those who walk the Left Hand Path.

It looks like to me, they want to be the fashioners and promote the fashion around the world. They want to be the inspirers of faith, the sources of peace, the shapers of beauty, the unique and the single ones, the rich ones, the everlasting ones and the makers of order. They think that they can archive the level of “The Responder of Prayer”. It’s like imitating God. Right? Allah is The Responder of Prayer. Allah is The Unique, The Single. Allah is The Fashioner and the Maker of Order.

Most religious zealots want the rest of the world to follow their religion, because they believe it to be the right religion. Some of these zealots even murder those who will not convert .

Allah was simply a moon god in pre-Islam, his consort was Allat. In the theology of the Semitic pre-Islamic polytheists, the creator god was named El, Ilu, Allah, Eloah, and Elaha.

Keep in mind Muslims worship a rock . . .

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

It's the beard

It just commands power

Well that would certainly explain the

Spoiler: GIANT statue of Guan Yu

 

[YmirGF]

In Russian for example, they have pictures of Jesus, Mary and other high ranked saints in churches, so, people go to churches and pray to them. In Thailand, it’s very much similar practice, they have pictures or statues of Buddha and other high ranked individuals who walked this earth and passed away long time ago, people usually decorate those pictures with offerings. In Rome, just like in Russia and Thailand they have pictures of a man they deifying and other high ranked saints who served the club in churches.

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

Another thing that is very similar about those religious clubs is that all of the high rankers has to be single and has to abstain from sexual activities, as if they are the unique ones. It looks like to me, they want to be the fashioners and promote the fashion around the world. They want to be the inspirers of faith, the sources of peace, the shapers of beauty, the unique and the single ones, the rich ones, the everlasting ones and the makers of order. They think that they can archive the level of “The Responder of Prayer”. It’s like imitating God. Right? Allah is The Responder of Prayer. Allah is The Unique, The Single. Allah is The Fashioner and the Maker of Order.

Muslims have, in fact, deified Muhammad and that is why early non-Muslim chroniclers referred to Islam as Muhammadanism. Given how often his every act, thought or word coaches Muslims on how to do anything, whatsoever, it is perhaps understandable why the early chroniclers made this error. It took them awhile to understand that Islam is about more than Muhammad. So what is wrong with people who emulate Muhammad's every action, word and deed? Do they have no life? Do they have no thoughts of their own?

 

[gnostic]

In Russian for example, they have pictures of Jesus, Mary and other high ranked saints in churches, so, people go to churches and pray to them. In Thailand, it’s very much similar practice, they have pictures or statues of Buddha and other high ranked individuals who walked this earth and passed away long time ago, people usually decorate those pictures with offerings. In Rome, just like in Russia and Thailand they have pictures of a man they deifying and other high ranked saints who served the club in churches.

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man? I think the reason they deify a man is because they want to be defied also. They think that “if they can be worshiped, I can be worshiped”. And, so they join the club thinking they have a chance to be worshiped. A human who wants other humans to worship him. Classical. Is it not?

Another thing that is very similar about those religious clubs is that all of the high rankers has to be single and has to abstain from sexual activities, as if they are the unique ones. It looks like to me, they want to be the fashioners and promote the fashion around the world. They want to be the inspirers of faith, the sources of peace, the shapers of beauty, the unique and the single ones, the rich ones, the everlasting ones and the makers of order. They think that they can archive the level of “The Responder of Prayer”. It’s like imitating God. Right? Allah is The Responder of Prayer. Allah is The Unique, The Single. Allah is The Fashioner and the Maker of Order.

Are you joking???

Muhammad is a "deified" man.

Don't Muslims always include "Muhammad" by name in every prayers?

I don't see how Muslims' prayers to be any different from those of Catholic prayers, with Mary and other saints.

And anyone who insult the Prophet, Muhammad (e.g. Danish cartoons of Muhammad), or use his name in vain (e.g. Teddy-bear incidence), is treated as blasphemy.

A charge of "blasphemy" is normally reserved for those insult God, not for insults to prophets or saints.

The danish cartoons caused many riots, vandalism and violence in different countries, particularly in Syria, when one nun was murdered, because she was a Christian, but she had nothing to do with the publication of those cartoons.

Muslims treat Muhammad like a super prophet, even though some Muslims say that all prophets are equal.

For most Muslims today, Muhammad was more than just a prophet, but a hero, and the excessive and fanatical adoration or reverence poured on to Muhammad, is a classic case of "hero-worship".

And hero-worship is a form of idol-worshipping.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Responding to the thread title, rather than the somewhat convoluted OP, I'd say it's more complex than a single factor being involved.

A large part seems to be in wanting some sort of more accessible material connection to God than is otherwise possible. Symbols of God, or divinity, or even 'mere' earthly adoration and hero worship take on far more value and importance than they actually hold.

Just look at what people pay for sports memorabilia!

I do wonder why you think this doesn't apply to Islam, whereas I would think entirely differently.

 

[gnostic]

You seem to be quite fond of criticizing other groups for doing things yours practices.

Deifying goes beyond having imagery, in my opinion. Most Muslims categorize Mohammed as a man who did no wrong, and then go on to pretend the bad stuff he did never happened.

What I have quoted and highlighted:

That's sound about right.

 

[gnostic]

It's the beard

It just commands power

Well...if I had a shear, and if I had the power to command...then I would like to "shear" them off their face.

So I would guess Ekleipsis that you would have to keep me away from sharp things and long beards.

ps

Come here my friend, Ekleipsis, I have to something show youuuu...

*snip* *snip* *snip* (...the sounds of scissors behind gnostic's back...)​

 

[LuisDantas]

How do Muslims treat Muhammad? Its not allowed in Islam to draw a picture of Muhammad because they don't want people to start deifying him like they do elsewhere.

A classic example of ironical behavior, if I ever met any.

Calling him a prophet instead of a deity is ultimately a very arbitrary choice with very little practical significance.

 

[Aštra’el]

Muslims have not "deified" Muhammad. They express great reverence for him, and understandably so. Muhammad was an amazing human being... a soul truly touched by the Heavens.

The only being Muslims regard as a god is Allah, aka "God".

 

[gnostic]

Muslims have not "deified" Muhammad. They express great reverence for him, and understandably so. Muhammad was an amazing human being... a soul truly touched by the Heavens.

The only being Muslims regard as a god is Allah, aka "God".

When Muslims punish or execute someone over alleged insult to Muhammad, as a blasphemy, then Muslims are treating him as "god-like".

Normally a charge of blasphemy is reserved for those who their deity or deities, not for humans, unless they have deified him.

If a similar insults, similar to the satire in the Danish cartoons were directed at other prophets, like say Abraham or Ishmael or Moses or Jesus, instead of Muhammad, do you think those same Muslims who committed violence, riots and murder in Muhammad's name, would have done the same with those other prophets that I have mentioned????

The answer would be "no", I really don't think so.

 

[LuisDantas]

Muslims have not "deified" Muhammad. They express great reverence for him, and understandably so. Muhammad was an amazing human being... a soul truly touched by the Heavens.

The only being Muslims regard as a god is Allah, aka "God".

That is the letter of it, certainly.

In practice, it means nothing and can't really counter the facts.

The irony of it is that Muslims are well-known for their suspicion of other people taking other entities in too high a regard "as if they were God".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, what is wrong with those people who deify a man?

Being a Muslim, you probably should ask yourself this, given Islam places Muhammad way up high on a pedestal, and many consider it an offense worthy of death to insult Muhammad. This is hardly different from Christians who place a very special significance on Jesus, and the Jews who hold up Moses. If Muslims held no level of deification for Muhammad, there would be no demands for death and beheadings for those who insult him.

Calling him a prophet instead of a deity is ultimately a very arbitrary choice with very little practical significance.

It's actually not arbitrary: A deity is some sort of god or supreme being, whereas a prophet is someone who bears messages from the deity, and is generally known for being shamanistic, a teacher, and a strong criticizer of what is wrong in their culture.