whats your beef with brexit?

[England my lionheart]

It's hard because our government has come up with a load of silly and foolish "red lines" that, among other things, are totally incompatible with the Good Friday agreement in NI. Apart from that, this is our biggest trading partner - it's just idiotic to think we can distance ourselves so much without major economic harm.



How do you know? I don't see why we couldn't, if we stopped being so idiotically xenophobic and anti-EU, be a significant influence on the EU's future development.

Been tried hence the referendum,it will never happen because the EU isn't 27 states in an even partnership,there's France Germany UK Italy Spain and the rest are just hanging in there,Greece literally.

 

[ChristineM]

It is self-evident and if you weren’t indoctrinated you would realise that.

We need to downsize our parliament and get rid of the hangers-on.

It is far too bloated and ineffective, as recent events have proved.

We certainly do not need another tier above it.

No it is not self evident. You just use that excuse because you refuse to answer.

 

[ChristineM]

If you look how hard it is to get out now think how hard it would be in the future,why would it be better if we "ditched the monarchy",I'll maybe agree on the house of Lord's but until there's a better process we have to have it.

The fact is the EU will not reform,it's so obvious it needs to but it is what it is,an over complicated mechanism that is of no benefit to a majority of people.

It is only hard now because no idiot in the uk government can agree with any of the others, the threats of breaking the law seem to be their only political tactic.

The E U is a democracy, it takes more than little britain trying to force it to reform to its personal model

 

[Notanumber]

Apart from that, this is our biggest trading partner

Are they going to stop selling us their cars, wine and cheeses, etc?

 

[ChristineM]

Are they going to stop selling us their cars, wine and cheeses, etc?

So you will still be relying on Europe. Interesting that you admit it

 

[ratiocinator]

Are they going to stop selling us their cars, wine and cheeses, etc?

I don't suppose they'd stop but if we default to WTO terms then both the UK and the EU have to treat imports and exports to each other in the same way as we do to all other counties with which we don't have specific trade deals, so unless both are prepared to (say) drop all tariffs to zero for whatever goods for all those other counties, trade will become significantly more difficult and costly. Don't also forget that we'd lose all the free trade deals that we have with other countries that we have because of being part of the EU who have negotiated those deals. See: What are World Trade Organisation terms and what exactly do they mean?

The UK may end up desperate enough to drop all its tariffs but I don't think the EU will be - so it's our exports that will suffer. This is why it's so utterly absurd to say that no-deal will be a "clean break", it will just be the start of years and years of more Brexit negotiations - and we will be the ones with the begging bowl, grovelling to both Trump and the EU. So much for taking back control....

 

[Estro Felino]

Even cartoons say it 1:38

 

[Notanumber]

So you will still be relying on Europe. Interesting that you admit it

I am not relying on them but can we stop them?

I bought a Japanese car; don’t drink alcohol and being vegan I can’t stand cheese.

 

[England my lionheart]

It is only hard now because no idiot in the uk government can agree with any of the others, the threats of breaking the law seem to be their only political tactic.

The E U is a democracy, it takes more than little britain trying to force it to reform to its personal model

Democratic apart from the commission,if little Britain is so little it shouldn't be a problem for us to leave,should hardly cause a ripple.

 

[Notanumber]

I don't suppose they'd stop but if we default to WTO terms then both the UK and the EU have to treat imports and exports to each other in the same way as we do to all other counties with which we don't have specific trade deals, so unless both are prepared to (say) drop all tariffs to zero for whatever goods for all those other counties, trade will become significantly more difficult and costly. Don't also forget that we'd lose all the free trade deals that we have with other countries that we have because of being part of the EU who have negotiated those deals. See: What are World Trade Organisation terms and what exactly do they mean?

The UK may end up desperate enough to drop all its tariffs but I don't think the EU will be - so it's our exports that will suffer. This is why it's so utterly absurd to say that no-deal will be a "clean break", it will just be the start of years and years of more Brexit negotiations - and we will be the ones with the begging bowl, grovelling to both Trump and the EU. So much for taking back control....

With a Clean Break Brexit we will be negotiating on level terms instead of being bent over a barrel with Mrs May’s surrender treaty.

 

[ChristineM]

I am not relying on them but can we stop them?

I bought a Japanese car; don’t drink alcohol and being vegan I can’t stand cheese.

And millions do drive European cars, drink alcohol and are not vegitarian so your point is?

 

[Notanumber]

And millions do drive European cars, drink alcohol and are not vegitarian so your point is?

That’s their problem. We have enough problems with our undemocratic EU supporting parliament.

 

[ChristineM]

Democratic apart from the commission,if little Britain is so little it shouldn't be a problem for us to leave,should hardly cause a ripple.

The commission is elected by EU parliament who are given the right to elect commissioners by you.

Rather a more democratic method than the british PM elected by his party buddies


You would think it wouldn't be a problem until Boris got his mitts on northern Ireland

 

[ChristineM]

That’s their problem. We have enough problems with our undemocratic EU supporting parliament.

So who did you vote for in the EU elections???

If you say no one then you have only yourself to blame.

But of course the electron was democratic

 

[England my lionheart]

The commission is elected by EU parliament who are given the right to elect commissioners by you.

Rather a more democratic method than the british PM elected by his party buddies


You would think it wouldn't be a problem until Boris got his mitts on northern Ireland

A commission that proposes EU laws,a commission I had no vote to elect.

 

[ChristineM]

A commission that proposes EU laws,a commission I had no vote to elect.

You voted for those who voted for the commission.

That's in the constitution that the UK helped to put together.

 

[Notanumber]

I don't suppose they'd stop but if we default to WTO terms then both the UK and the EU have to treat imports and exports to each other in the same way as we do to all other counties with which we don't have specific trade deals, so unless both are prepared to (say) drop all tariffs to zero for whatever goods for all those other counties, trade will become significantly more difficult and costly. Don't also forget that we'd lose all the free trade deals that we have with other countries that we have because of being part of the EU who have negotiated those deals. See: What are World Trade Organisation terms and what exactly do they mean?

The UK may end up desperate enough to drop all its tariffs but I don't think the EU will be - so it's our exports that will suffer. This is why it's so utterly absurd to say that no-deal will be a "clean break", it will just be the start of years and years of more Brexit negotiations - and we will be the ones with the begging bowl, grovelling to both Trump and the EU. So much for taking back control....

Jeff explains here -

 

[Notanumber]

So who did you vote for in the EU elections???

If you say no one then you have only yourself to blame.

But of course the electron was democratic

Tommy of course.

 

[ChristineM]

Jeff explains here -

So why are supermarkets stockpiling food knowing there will be shortages? Shortages mean higher prices
How can it be cheaper to transport goods and food from half way round the world than across the channel?
Abattoirs will close because their sales will drop beyond economic sustainability and so the price of meat will rise.

 

[ChristineM]

Tommy of course.

Well there ya go, you wasted your vote but you cant blame anyone else for that

And i note that you have once again avoided answering my question in post 4156. Why am i not surprised?