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whats your beef with brexit?

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
We weren't allowed a referendum,isn't that enough,they knew leave would win.

This country is supposed to be a representative democracy - we don't often use referendums. You never had a right to have a referendum about anything, and won't get such a right if we leave the EU.

If you want a right to have referendums then you need to campaign to change to a written constitution that allows such rights. It has nothing to do with the EU.

So how has the EU affected your rights?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Still without our consent,I don't remember having a vote on the Maastricht treaty or any other treaty,Fact is we've been held prisoner in the EU by not allowing a vote for 40 years,if we had we would have been out long ago.

You voted for your mp and mep in regular elections

Democracy is a b*t*h eh?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
I don't know how your home democracy works...but in the European elections were won by Le Pen, Farage and Salvini. This matters.
IIRC, Turn out was about 35%, of which Farage's party won 30% of the vote - in other words just over 10% of the electorate voted for him. - Some victory!
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
This country is supposed to be a representative democracy - we don't often use referendums. You never had a right to have a referendum about anything, and won't get such a right if we leave the EU.

If you want a right to have referendums then you need to campaign to change to a written constitution that allows such rights. It has nothing to do with the EU.

So how has the EU affected your rights?

For years many people have wanted out,even after the referendum to go in but what we have today is a million miles from what we joined.

Even though I disliked the woman thatchers speech (called the Bruges speech) 30 years ago said of the EU “an inclination towards bureaucratic rather than market solutions to economic problems",she was right,the EU is evolving and far far from what we joined,Cameron was left with no choice.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
IIRC, Turn out was about 35%, of which Farage's party won 30% of the vote - in other words just over 10% of the electorate voted for him. - Some victory!
All right...but this should make you understand that anti-EU campaigns make you win.
And do you know why anti-EU campaigns win votes? Ask yourself this question.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
This country is supposed to be a representative democracy - we don't often use referendums. You never had a right to have a referendum about anything, and won't get such a right if we leave the EU.

If you want a right to have referendums then you need to campaign to change to a written constitution that allows such rights. It has nothing to do with the EU.

So how has the EU affected your rights?
For years many people have wanted out,even after the referendum to go in but what we have today is a million miles from what we joined.

Even though I disliked the woman thatchers speech (called the Bruges speech) 30 years ago said of the EU “an inclination towards bureaucratic rather than market solutions to economic problems",she was right,the EU is evolving and far far from what we joined,Cameron was left with no choice.

So you can't answer the question or address the points (yet again).
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
No they don't. The pro-EU vote was split and got more votes than Farage
I expected your irrenounceable "project fear "
:p:p:p
Kidding
Ok...but...what if Farage gets 45% next time? You know... even Rees-Mogg's sister entered politics to follow him...
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
That's because many in the Leave campaign were actually talking about what is now called a soft Brexit - even Farage was mentioning Norway as an example.

That's one of the reasons why the referendum was so flawed, nobody had defined what leave actually meant so it became all things to all people who were (for any reason, EU related or not) dissatisfied with how things were.

I know how you like video...


I notice the comments are turned off in your video.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
For years many people have wanted out,even after the referendum to go in but what we have today is a million miles from what we joined.

We were not given a referendum to go into the Common Market. Heath sneaked us in as May did when she signed us up to the EU army.

Wilson gave us a referendum to come out but we had been brainwashed by then.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
...quislings...

:rolleyes: Still with the silly, divisive, and totally false language I see.

If the Remoaner quislings believed those polls, they would be clamouring to give us a General Election instead of hiding behind the green benches.

If leavers didn't, they would be happy to have another referendum now the facts are clear. As soon as it's certain that Boris the Liar can't force us out with no deal, I'm sure we'll have an election. However, it would be far more democratic to have a referendum, then an election.

The only reason we haven't had an election is that the PM is a serial liar and nobody trusts him.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
We were not given a referendum to go into the Common Market. Heath sneaked us in as May did when she signed us up to the EU army.

Wilson gave us a referendum to come out but we had been brainwashed by then.

True and now,as you said in a previous post they'll do anything to keep us locked in.
 
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