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whats your beef with brexit?

England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
ratiocinator said:
So you can't answer the question or address the points (yet again).
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The point is we got a referendum and exorcised our right to vote and we won and I'll add a further quote of thatchers "overt federalist and protectionist agenda” at the European level. 30 years ago a pro European said this and what we've known for years so yes the referendum was a right.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Notanumber said:
We were not given a referendum to go into the Common Market. Heath sneaked us in as May did when she signed us up to the EU army.

Wilson gave us a referendum to come out but we had been brainwashed by then.
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There is no EU army but the way the US are behaving we may need one to replace NATO.

So we are brainwashed when we vote remain but not when we vote leave
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
England my lionheart said:
The point is we got a referendum and exorcised our right to vote and we won and I'll add a further quote of thatchers "overt federalist and protectionist agenda” at the European level. 30 years ago a pro European said this and what we've known for years so yes the referendum was a right.
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It simply wasn't. There is no right to a referendum in the UK's constitution - and it has nothing to do with the EU. So, again, if you're bothered about having a right to referendums, it's the UK constitution that is the problem, not the EU.

And you still haven't answered the question of how the EU has affected your rights. Why is it that no leavers can actually give any concrete reason for why they think the EU has been bad for them?

I listened to Dame Sally Davies (Chief Medical Officer for England until 1st October) on R4 this morning saying again that lives are at risk if we leave the EU with no deal. How could it possibly be worth the risk if nobody can say what's so bad about it? All we get is silly language about "traitors" and "quislings" as if this is a war - it's utter madness.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
ratiocinator said:
It simply wasn't. There is no right to a referendum in the UK's constitution - and it has nothing to do with the EU. So, again, if you're bothered about having a right to referendums, it's the UK constitution that is the problem, not the EU.

And you still haven't answered the question of how the EU has affected your rights. Why is it that no leavers can actually give any concrete reason for why they think the EU has been bad for them?

I listened to Dame Sally Davies (Chief Medical Officer for England until 1st October) on R4 this morning saying again that lives are at risk if we leave the EU with no deal. How could it possibly be worth the risk if nobody can say what's so bad about it? All we get is silly language about "traitors" and "quislings" as if this is a war - it's utter madness.
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I don't get your problem,we never voted to go into a federal Europe which is the aim but most of all the EU has affected our security,one stupid move by Merkel that even her own people have protested,sure we control our borders but we have none on theres.,freedom of movement is and was a stupid idea.

A deal is the preferred outcome but at the same time we can't bend over and get butt ****ed by the eu,if we had gone hard from the beginning we would be out by now with a bit of haggling.

The EU isn't making it easy for us,it's easy to see why because otherwise it's a house of cards but it's as much in their interest for a deal as both of us will feel the repercussions.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
England my lionheart said:
I don't get your problem,we never voted to go into a federal Europe which is the aim but most of all the EU has affected our security,one stupid move by Merkel that even her own people have protested,sure we control our borders but we have none on theres.,freedom of movement is and was a stupid idea.

A deal is the preferred outcome but at the same time we can't bend over and get butt ****ed by the eu,if we had gone hard from the beginning we would be out by now with a bit of haggling.

The EU isn't making it easy for us,it's easy to see why because otherwise it's a house of cards but it's as much in their interest for a deal as both of us will feel the repercussions.
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Why should the EU make it easy? Despite what Brexiteers promised us, "Deal before lunch" wasn't it?
They don't want us to leave - so why give us a good deal; you join the club and stay in the club to get and keep a good deal.
If you leave you the deal you get reflects your contribution to the club.

But of course that was all Project Fear
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Altfish said:
Why should the EU make it easy? Despite what Brexiteers promised us, "Deal before lunch" wasn't it?
They don't want us to leave - so why give us a good deal; you join the club and stay in the club to get and keep a good deal.
If you leave you the deal you get reflects your contribution to the club.

But of course that was all Project Fear
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I said they are not making it easy for a good reason,they can't make it easy because we are the precedent for any other member that wants to leave.

PS I don't want to be a member of their club like many others.
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
England my lionheart said:
I said they are not making it easy for a good reason,they can't make it easy because we are the precedent for any other member that wants to leave.

PS I don't want to be a member of their club like many others.
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I agree, that's why the Brexiteers claims were so ridiculous.
Remainers said we'd struggle to get a deal, Leavers said "Project Fear"
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The proof that EU technocrats are just thieves and leeches...

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Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And Italian dems are traitors to us, to our democracy....Sassoli is a dem and unjustly became EP president, since the elections were won by rightists in Italy.
Bravo Belinda De Lucy


 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
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Our modern Homeland shall be quite large, but not so large that one cannot agree on what the common interests are, any more. As it would happen if we considered Europe our own homeland.
Our own Country whose borders are natural, is the kind of society that suits us the best.
And I conclude saying that without Love for the Nation, there is not much virtue.
 
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ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Estro Felino said:
No...it means they want Britain to stay just to squeeze it like a lemon...
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No it means that what the UK owes it must pay.

Lets say you run up a large electric bill then do a flit, the bill is not forgotten, you still owe the money. Defaulting on payment gets your credit rating slaughtered. The same will happen to the UK world credit rating if it defaults on its debts.
 
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