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whats your beef with brexit?
- Thread starter England my lionheart
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My beef with Brexit is it is responsible for this thread being 36 pages long and lasting forever.
My beef with Brexit is also that it involves the British who are always the bad guys no matter what!
No fair, there are some good guys. Just that most of them have left and not turned the lights out
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
No. We wanted what we joined: an economic community, not a would-be federation. And we aren't the only ones fed up with the Brussels bureaucrats and politicians: think of Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland.
You know as well as anyone else that the idea of federation is specifically identified as a no go in the treaty of Maastricht. Don't you?
If those countries don't like it they have the democratic process. After all they only need 37% to bottle out.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The ironic part is that by renouncing its membership, the UK removes itself as an anti-federal voice in the European Parliament which makes a federalised Europe more likely.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
As much as I'm inclined to agree with this, every time I hear a Quitler double-down on their decision with idiocy, ignorance and whataboutery; or see a former Remainer spew the 'will of the people' lie, I realise the best thing to do is just let the whole thing play out and see how these people react when they get shafted like we've been saying all along.
While remainers are known for their "fear of the unknown" and they are easily intimidated by technocrats, Imperatore dell'umanità...
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
While remainers are known for their "fear of the unknown" and they are easily intimidated by technocrats, Imperatore dell'umanità...
"Fear of the unknown", my ***. Remainers generally as well as experts in fields like economics, international relations among others have been pointing out what's more than likely going to happen as a result of this. And our predictions are coming true; we can't get a deal better than the one we have as an EU member state. Further, we're hardly stepping into an unknown abyss. The UK has been in a position somewhat similar to Brexit in the past. Back in the late 60s and early 70s before we joined the EEC our economy wasn't doing so great in comparison to our European neighbours.
But none of this apparently matters since Brexiteers are so feedbackophobic that they've 'had enough of experts'.
I'm happy for the English that they will get their blue passports and their steam trains back and I'm happy for the Irish and Scots that they will now soon become fully independent again and part of the European Union community as proud nations. All's well that ends well.
Rehan
Member
What do the distinguished (or undistinguished, don't want to discriminate) ladies and gentlemen and... whatever else, think about John Gray's take on Brexit? Don't know if I agree or not, but it is interesting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b9zvtf
It is 9 minutes long
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b9zvtf
It is 9 minutes long
At first glance, I read that as "they've had enough of exports."
I agree with him, we should be prepared to walk away without a deal.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Start buying canned food!
I don't think it will be that bad so I'll stay with fresh food although the occasional can of beans is OK.
Altfish
Veteran Member
It is quite striking how the Brexit rhetoric has changed since the vote.
It used to be ... £350m a week for NHS; get our sovereignty back, we'll all be better off; scrap all these laws we don't like; it'll be soon all sorted; the EU needs us more than we need the EU
Now it is... well the £350m was never serious; we're handing our sovereignty to unpaid civil servants and judges who are too radical; we'll transfer all EU laws into ours; No deal is better than a bad deal (so much for it won't take long); We won't be too much worse off, food shortages won't be too bad; Northern Ireland errr, oh we forgot about that.
As our Deputy PM said (and he knows the EU Commission very well), Bruxelles is not acting in good faith with Britain.
I know Mrs May can use very convincing arguments to negotiate and obtain a very good deal. I hope she does
Altfish
Veteran Member
The Brexiteers have been saying this for 18-months now; I just hope they are keeping their cards close and are about to unveil a dream deal.