whats your beef with brexit?

[Altfish]

Charming, with that kind of attitude any reasonable person would think that you had lost the argument and they would be right to think so.

At least he answers your questions. You loose the argument every time you ignore a post; especially when it is flagged that you have missed giving a reply.

 

[Estro Felino]

Equally the EU's civil service, who you call technocrats, are selected and appointed by the leaders and comisioners from those countries.

The EU Commission? Unelected people.
I didn't elect Federica Mogherini. Who knows her? besides she's a leftist, while the right is in charge.
Not to mention Juncker, a guy who once said aliens watch us from far away.

There are no " perpetrators " or "victims"

There are victims:
1) the UK , a net contributor of the EU that deserves to exit on its terms. But the EU Commission is treating the British unfairly. Britain has excellent economists and don't need a Brexit plan from Brussels.

2) Italy- we are trying to restore our pre-Maastricht welfare state, but the EU Commission wants us to spend our budget on banks and not on public expenditure.

 

[Estro Felino]

The Maltese hate us Italians because we support Brexit...while Muscat "demanded" a second referendum.

Besides...they speak a weird language...a kind of Arabic with Sicilian words.

Spoiler

 

[Altfish]

The EU Commission? Unelected people.
I didn't elect Federica Mogherini. Who knows her? besides she's a leftist, while the right is in charge.
Not to mention Juncker, a guy who once said aliens watch us from far away.

I don't know what happens in Italy but in the UK we have many unelected civil servants who do the day to day running of the country. It is no different in the EU.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know what happens in Italy but in the UK we have many unelected civil servants who do the day to day running of the country. It is no different in the EU.

We're so anti-freemasonry that we chose a random law professor (completely alien to politics) as Prime Minister to be sure he wasn't a Freemason.
Great gentleman, educated, refined, speaks languages.

 

[Notanumber]

It is high time that Britain stopped apologising for its past. The past should be studied objectively and any knowledge gained should be used to ensure that we have a bright and fearless future.

We do not need special laws for certain groups. Everyone should be equal under the one set of laws.

As this man says, what happened to free speech, what happened to freedom?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It is high time that Britain stopped apologising for its past. The past should be studied objectively and any knowledge gained should be used to ensure that we have a bright and fearless future.

We do not need special laws for certain groups. Everyone should be equal under the one set of laws.

As this man says, what happened to free speech, what happened to freedom?

Is there anything that you are not Anti-

The British did very well off the backs of its Empire.
But even if we wanted to repeat that, it is not open to us. Nor should it be.

 

[Altfish]

We're so anti-freemasonry that we chose a random law professor (completely alien to politics) as Prime Minister to be sure he wasn't a Freemason.

Is this the same country that elected Berlusconi 4(?) times?

 

[Notanumber]

Is this the same country that elected Berlusconi 4(?) times?

You said it yourself. He was elected and could be voted out of office.

 

[Notanumber]

What a good job we have experts that have hands on experience of the EU and how it is being run.

If we didn’t the spin-doctors such as Campbell would have us believing all sorts. You know, like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

 

[Estro Felino]

Is this the same country that elected Berlusconi 4(?) times?

3 times.
I voted for him twice and I regret that. He's not an anti-EU leader as this great man was : Craxi, who in this video says :
"The EU will be, to Italy, a limbo at best and a hell at worst.
We must ask for, or even demand the renegotiation of Maastricht parameters"

Fortunately we have two anti-EU parties in charge and Berlusconi will retire soon.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

What a good job we have experts that have hands on experience of the EU and how it is being run.

I do hope you're not including Farage in that category. He was appointed to the fishery committee once upon a time and he was never at any of its meetings.

How would you feel if you voted for your MP and they claimed a salary and expenses from Westminster without doing any work?

 

[Altfish]

You said it yourself. He was elected and could be voted out of office.

Once again, you totally ignore my post about unelected UK civil servants.
Not only in the bubble but blinkered too.

 

[Notanumber]

I do hope you're not including Farage in that category. He was appointed to the fishery committee once upon a time and he was never at any of its meetings.

How would you feel if you voted for your MP and they claimed a salary and expenses from Westminster without doing any work?

All those around the EU trough will be very pleased to get rid of him. He has been a thorn in their side.

If Ollie Robbins gets his way we will have left the EU in name only and we won’t have a Nigel keeping their finger on the pulse. God knows what they will get up to then.

Nigel has been far better value than the likes of the Kinnocks.

Kinnock's Euro pay-off is condemned

Storm over Kinnock's Euro pay-off

 

[Altfish]

Nigel has been far better value than the likes of the Kinnocks.

In the opinion of the Bubble

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I don't know what happens in Italy but in the UK we have many unelected civil servants who do the day to day running of the country. It is no different in the EU.

Civil servants are responsible to their ministers, they have no policy decision making power of their own.
All civil servants are unelected and have permanent employment status. They serve what ever government comes into office. They remain in post between governments.

 

[Altfish]

Civil servants are responsible to their ministers, they have no policy decision making power of their own.
All civil servants are unelected and have permanent employment status. They serve what ever government comes into office. They remain in post between governments.

Not dissimilar to Juncker and the likes in the EU. They do the work and it is rubber stamped (or rejected) by the elected officials.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why do you suppose African migration would have been any different with out the EU.
Historically migration of peoples has continued what ever the make up or policy of a country. Even the extreme Nazi exterminations were only a passing event in the history of Germany and have had almost no measurable affect on numbers.

Even Extreme right wing views, like your own, have little affect on the to and fro of migrant movements in the world. Such flows are in response to irresistible natural forces and events.

That's false. Creating a state is a delicate process and whether you like it or not, Europe is made up of ethno-nation-states, and each nation has a specific ethnic identity

The leftist agenda promotes miscegenation in order to destroy the ethno-states. Propaganda is everywhere, even in books

Spoiler

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Not dissimilar to Juncker and the likes in the EU. They do the work and it is rubber stamped (or rejected) by the elected officials.

Hardly. They folow the guidance of their political masters. They are expected to offer solutions to problems.
But politicians make the decisions.

That's false. Creating a state is a delicate process and whether you like it or not, Europe is made up of ethno-nation-states, and each nation has a specific ethnic identity

The leftist agenda promotes miscegenation in order to destroy the ethno-states. Propaganda is everywhere, even in books

Spoiler

Talk of miscegenation demonstrates a racist mind set.
We have been mixing since the cromagnon met the neanderthal.
The Romans had no concept of "pure blood" service to the state made one roman, they embraced peoples from everwhere as equals and as citizens.
There is no such thing as an ethno-nation state, as demonsrated absolutely clearly by the genetics of populations. Though some Islands with very small populations are almost homogeneous through inbreeding. Even though their origins might be disparate.

 

[Notanumber]

The Romans had no concept of "pure blood" service to the state made one roman, they embraced peoples from everwhere as equals and as citizens.

Hence the saying, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”.