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When are we rightfully called "gods"?

an anarchist

an anarchist

Your local loco.
When can we (humans) rightfully call ourselves "gods", in your opinion?

This question is open to everyone.

"God" has varying meanings. So, when you answer the question, answer if from your preferred definition of god. Uppercase God, lower case god, godS, however you use the term. We don't need to agree on the definition of God here.

Question. If man were to figure out immortality, (let's say we upload our consciousness on a computer instead of dying) would you perhaps consider us a type of god? What would humanity have to accomplish to achieve godhood?

For my viewpoint, I think we can rightfully call ourseleves gods in the present day. My reasoning is my belief that an individual man has access to the universal storehouse of power. Access that one would typically assume a "God" only has. I have unlimited power. I can shape the world how I see fit. I just have to know how. But the capacity is there. I can upend the universe. Each one of us can. That is why I consider us gods.

Tagging @Exaltist Ethan because you oft explain how you believe humanity is on a journey to becoming god. Explain once again pls in the context of this thread :^]
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
"Rightfully"?

There is no proper answer for that question. No one has the authority to either validate or disqualify anyone else's claim of whether anything qualifies as a god. The concept is entirely arbitrary and, frankly, meaningless by itself.

So my answer is that we always could, but that never meant anything.

For a meaningful answer we have to first agree on some sort of consensus on what counts as a "true" god and what does not. There isn't a whole lot of benefit in making the attempt, though.
 
an anarchist

an anarchist

Your local loco.
LuisDantas said:
There is no proper answer for that question.
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Hmm. Perhaps from an atheist/agnostic pov. That makes sense, as an atheist does not have a definite idea of "god" due to the fact they don't believe in a specific version of god.

But, from someone else's perspective, (someone who has a specific idea of god) there can be definite requirements to meet a specific idea of god. Can a Christian argue that through the blood of Christ they become one with God? They do. Can a Christian argue that this in effect makes them a god, or godlike? I've heard a pastor preach before that Christians were superior spiritual entities. Does being "godlike" make us god in effect? Depends on perspective I guess. I'm interested in those perspectives though.

Ok I'm done with the mental gymnastics lol.
LuisDantas said:
For a meaningful answer we have to first agree on some sort of consensus on what counts as a "true" god and what does not.
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I disagree.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Xavier Graham said:
When can we (humans) rightfully call ourselves "gods", in your opinion?

This question is open to everyone.

"God" has varying meanings. So, when you answer the question, answer if from your preferred definition of god. Uppercase God, lower case god, godS, however you use the term. We don't need to agree on the definition of God here.

Question. If man were to figure out immortality, (let's say we upload our consciousness on a computer instead of dying) would you perhaps consider us a type of god? What would humanity have to accomplish to achieve godhood?

For my viewpoint, I think we can rightfully call ourseleves gods in the present day. My reasoning is my belief that an individual man has access to the universal storehouse of power. Access that one would typically assume a "God" only has. I have unlimited power. I can shape the world how I see fit. I just have to know how. But the capacity is there. I can upend the universe. Each one of us can. That is why I consider us gods.

Tagging @Exaltist Ethan because you oft explain how you believe humanity is on a journey to becoming god. Explain once again pls in the context of this thread :^]
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Only if a person has delusions of grandeur.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Xavier Graham said:
When can we (humans) rightfully call ourselves "gods", in your opinion?

This question is open to everyone.

"God" has varying meanings. So, when you answer the question, answer if from your preferred definition of god. Uppercase God, lower case god, godS, however you use the term. We don't need to agree on the definition of God here.

Question. If man were to figure out immortality, (let's say we upload our consciousness on a computer instead of dying) would you perhaps consider us a type of god? What would humanity have to accomplish to achieve godhood?

For my viewpoint, I think we can rightfully call ourseleves gods in the present day. My reasoning is my belief that an individual man has access to the universal storehouse of power. Access that one would typically assume a "God" only has. I have unlimited power. I can shape the world how I see fit. I just have to know how. But the capacity is there. I can upend the universe. Each one of us can. That is why I consider us gods.

Tagging @Exaltist Ethan because you oft explain how you believe humanity is on a journey to becoming god. Explain once again pls in the context of this thread :^]
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When you can play the guitar really, really well.

 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Xavier Graham said:
When can we (humans) rightfully call ourselves "gods", in your opinion?

This question is open to everyone.

"God" has varying meanings. So, when you answer the question, answer if from your preferred definition of god. Uppercase God, lower case god, godS, however you use the term. We don't need to agree on the definition of God here.

Question. If man were to figure out immortality, (let's say we upload our consciousness on a computer instead of dying) would you perhaps consider us a type of god? What would humanity have to accomplish to achieve godhood?

For my viewpoint, I think we can rightfully call ourseleves gods in the present day. My reasoning is my belief that an individual man has access to the universal storehouse of power. Access that one would typically assume a "God" only has. I have unlimited power. I can shape the world how I see fit. I just have to know how. But the capacity is there. I can upend the universe. Each one of us can. That is why I consider us gods.

Tagging @Exaltist Ethan because you oft explain how you believe humanity is on a journey to becoming god. Explain once again pls in the context of this thread :^]
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IMO, a god is an object of human worship. There's probably more to it than that, but I think it's a required piece of what it means to be a god.

... so I don't think that any hypothetical scenario where humanity gets new powers or abilities across the board would result in us becoming anything I'd consider a god.
 
an anarchist

an anarchist

Your local loco.
LuisDantas said:
@Xavier Graham , I have to challenge your claim that theists have some sort of access to clear god-conceptions that non-theists lack.

At face value, that makes no sense.
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A theist has a god-conception powered by belief. Even if there is no literal theistic god, a theist probably has themselves under some form of hypnosis. Hypnosis is a powerful thing. As a result, the god conception a theist has might be much more full of many things, such as emotional charge. So perhaps it is the atheist who has a clearer conception of god than the believer. Perhaps not.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Xavier Graham said:
A theist has a god-conception powered by belief. Even if there is no literal theistic god, a theist probably has themselves under some form of hypnosis. Hypnosis is a powerful thing. As a result, the god conception a theist has might be much more full of many things, such as emotional charge. So perhaps it is the atheist who has a clearer conception of god than the believer. Perhaps not.
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That is one way of defining gods, certainly.

There is probably a literal myriad of other ways that people actually use and diverge from yours, though. And often it won't even be clear whether that is the case.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Total truth, power, control and authority over one or many is my definition of God or Gods. I really don't think God is a moral concept. No one should be able to exert that kind of force on anybody else. Justice demands equality of freedom with the innocent. Justice seeks to lift up the common good of others toward a better life for all innocent people.

No one can ever be a God, and claim truth and authority. Truth and authority is charity and equality, not dominance and power.

In the animal world there are no gods. Being God over the wicked or the innocent implies perfect righteousness. It's pure fantasy, and not a good one.

As for me if I were a God I'd seek equal friendship with innocent life. God is not an enviable position. It implies judgment over the guilty. It implies perfection. It implies that one has the ultimate way, and ultimate knowledge and wisdom.

It implies superiority. That often leads to arrogance.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" When are we rightfully called "gods"?

Never, it is only another form of saying that we are in the image of G-d, please, so it is symbolic not " rightful", please, right?

Regards
 
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