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When does one know when desire begins and when it ends?
- Thread starter Antibush5
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From my recent observations I have found that desires start with this thought "I". This thought that I am the body allows all other thoughts and desires and attachments to arise. By just eliminating that one thought, all others will disappear.
Antibush5
Active Member
But what about if you think "I need to eat something or I will die"?
That is not a desire, that is a need. There are only a few needs. They main ones are: food/water, clothing according to environment, shelter, and medicine. Those are needs not desires.
Antibush5
Active Member
What about social interaction? People say it is a need now.
Its not at all a need. Its a desire deep within the human mind to be social. But many hermits and odd people have lived without much or virtually no human to human interaction. Its not at all a need. You can live without others, but you may go crazy!
Today we have gotten many things mixed up with the terms desire and need. They are almost used to substitue each other. They are not synonyms. If you cant live without it, its a need.
Antibush5
Active Member
Thanks for correcting me. So what would you say is luxury food?
Its not about the type of food, but the person. If you are picky about what you eat, will only eat things because they taste good or things like that, then you arnt doing it for a need. But because you asked, A food of luxery is one that fills the taste buds with joy and makes you want to have more. Its not pleasing to only one sense, but all. Its a joy to look at, to smell, and to feel in your mouth. You want it more than other foods and you are willing to pay more for it. That is a luxurious type of food. The sage will not pass over such foods, but will look at it differently. He will not taste, see, or feel the luxery of the food. Instead he will see it as it is, food.
Antibush5
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I get where you are coming from. You don't really get told this stuff when you look up the dharmic religions, they all say how you should not get attached and stuff like that, but they never say how you are and what attatchment really is.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
You make it sound as though the sage takes no pleasure in life.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I will add here that you needn't worry about desire beginning and ending. Worrying about it means you've already missed the mark. When you act, just act, don't think about acting. What the self does is actually the whole which is called Brahman acting, but the self thinks it is acting. Act as you desire, but don't attach constructs to it- Maybe this is just me leaning towards Tantra lately.
I completely understand what you are saying and in that comes alot of confusion. The past few days I have had a few understandings come upon be and it has caused be to drop religion for such reasons. Religion is very confusing because is brings the ultimate down and into the mind so that it can be spoken to the average person. Why not take the faster way and bypass the religion and go strait to the source? To do this just drop everything and fall inward. Remove all distraction and the truth will reveal itself free from any scripture or dogma.
To take pleasure in life seperates oneself from life. You are life, how can you enjoy it? To enjoy it is to seperate, why not be it? So the sage does not enjoy life at all, instead he is it.
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why even worry about acting, or doing, or seeing? for so long we have payed attention to doing, to acting, to seeing and things like that. You are being, you are that, all that needs to be done is that you stop paying attention to all others things besides that.
Antibush5
Active Member
Computer is out then, so after I remove it, I just meditate?
Not meditation in the conventional sense though. Not just sitting and repeating a mantra, or sitting and cultivating come trait, quality, or feeling. But sitting and turning ones mind inward and removing all distractions until all thats left is the Bliss of Being. Then one must put all attention on that. That is real meditaiton
Antibush5
Active Member
how do you meditate like that then?
Is there a way I can build up to that? Since I am new to meditation.
This is all a path of seeing who you are. So why not start with the easiest for trying to figure that out, ask who you are. Constantly ask who you are. You will find you are not the body, when that happend the first thought, the thought "I", will go away and because that one has all other thoughts will. When all thoughts have gone away and all forms of identification the feeling of Being will show itself. Then concentrate on that. But it all starts with asking who you are.
Dont delude yourself, dont make it harder than it really is. Just ask that. When that seeking becomes very deep it will spark a transformation. Once that has begun, the end for sure.