When I die, what's it all about?

[Kriya Yogi]

Dude, I'm just starting out! I have to do the yamas and niyamas, first. ^_^

Sorry, wasn't trying to imply anything I'm just saying your doubt will disappear through deeper meditation and application. Especially through Kriya if you ever get initiated. It is a true blessing.

 

[Riverwolf]

You can call it coincidence but there is no way it could just all of a sudden break by me just getting out of the car when it was more likely to break driving.

Yeah, the others do fit the criteria of not being able to be explained through modern science, yet, but this actually does have an explanation: the strain while driving was building up and slowly eroding it away, and the car moving around as you get out was basically the straw that broke the camel's back. IOW, had you driven even a little more, it would have broken while you were in the car.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sorry, wasn't trying to imply anything I'm just saying your doubt will disappear through deeper meditation and application. Especially through Kriya if you ever get initiated. It is a true blessing.

I'm taking a hatha yoga class at my college.

The priests at my local temple did give me a book by Goswami Kriyananda, "The Spiritual Science of Kriya Yoga", so they might have someone who can initiate me, but I doubt it; none of the priests really "feel" like they're anything more than priests. (Then again, I didn't really "feel" anything from Amma's presence, either. )

 

[Kriya Yogi]

Yeah, the others do fit the criteria of not being able to be explained through modern science, yet, but this actually does have an explanation: the strain while driving was building up and slowly eroding it away, and the car moving around as you get out was basically the straw that broke the camel's back. IOW, had you driven even a little more, it would have broken while you were in the car.

Well its not the only time I've been saved from harm by God. I'm in the military and I ended up being offered a permanent job in a non deployable office literally days before my current unit got stop lossed and deployed months after 911 attacks. I've also had premonitions of times where I was at my friends house as a kid and I just a feeling that I needed to go home. As soon as I got home I saw that my little brother had lit the wood table on fire and had I been a minute late the whole house would have been on fire and some people asleep could have died. Its just little things like that tha let me know there is a higher power out there looking after me.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

I'm taking a hatha yoga class at my college.

The priests at my local temple did give me a book by Goswami Kriyananda, "The Spiritual Science of Kriya Yoga", so they might have someone who can initiate me, but I doubt it; none of the priests really "feel" like they're anything more than priests. (Then again, I didn't really "feel" anything from Amma's presence, either. )

Awesome that is Swami Kriyananda. A direct disciple of my Guru Paramahansa Yogananda. You can be initiated through Ananda or Self Realization Fellowship. I can help you of you want. Just pm me if you need help.

 

[Riverwolf]

Awesome that is Swami Kriyananda. A direct disciple of my Guru Paramahansa Yogananda. You can be initiated through Ananda or Self Realization Fellowship. I can help you of you want. Just pm me if you need help.

Well, I don't think I'm quite mentally ready just yet, but I'll remember that.

 

[Meow Mix]

There just has to be something else out there, for you and for me, and for my kids sake, and for all thr precious lives we interact with everyday. I simply have to believe... As some of you well know I am here on this forum trying to debunk my beliefs, looking for solid proof against my beliefs, but just keep running up a steep mountain that is full of loose gravel.

Have you ever had a really powerful moment of nostalgia and wished more than anything that you could revisit a time in the past?

I've been through my so-called "quarter-life crisis" where I realized that probably most of the friends I've ever had and once been really close to are gone for good from my life. I have new friends now, sure, but some of my oldest friends are distant now (physically and otherwise) such that if I see them it might just be for a few drinks or to say hello.

I have all these memories of things we used to do that just make me smile and it makes me so upset that I can't just press rewind for a day and live in those periods again. But even if I no longer see those friends, does that mean that the time we had was meaningless?

I'd say of course not. Those times were precious, and I am lucky to have ever had them at all.

What about the memories of those times? Are they only meaningful if I retain memories of them later? Again I'd say of course not. I'm still lucky to have ever had those experiences even if I don't have a memory of them later. It was still very much worth my time to experience those times and I'm still infinitely better off than any potential person who never existed to have similar experiences.

Well, I don't see how death is any different. It would be nice if there's an afterlife, but an afterlife doesn't define the worth of life. Everything we come to experience is still precious beyond my ability to exalt it with words even if we possibly cease to exist at the end. We don't need memories or futures to have had meaning in our lives in principle, but beyond that it's often the case that we do leave behind meaning that continues after we pass in the form of our contributions to our loved ones or even to strangers if we work hard to improve the world for future generations in the best way we can.

I've had your reservations about these affairs before, but I have since come to reject them as unfounded. I don't need to know I'll live forever to have a meaningful, fulfilling, and happy life. In the same way I can't go back to various "golden times" of my life but I'm still glad I had them -- and believe it would still ultimately have been good and "worth it" even if I couldn't remember them -- I believe that even if I slip into oblivion on death that the entirety of my life was still worth it.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Ok you keep telling yourself that. All I know is when I and many others meditate and practice Kriya we all can and have had divine and personal experiences that are consistent. I have had many superconscious experiences and can testify that it works and so can many others that have practiced it. It is as scientific as gravity. You can't argue with your own personal experiences and the testifying results from others. Fact is you won't know it works until you try it out for yourself. It is no longer a belief when actual truth and experiences are experienced. This is why I talk so faithfully, enthusiastically, and knowingly about its absolute truth.

All these children know is that when they and many others write letters to Santa they consistently get Christmas presents. They've had many experiences getting gifts from Santa and can testify that it works, and so can many other children who have written letters to Santa. It is as scientific as gravity. You can't argue with their personal experiences and testifying results of other children. This is why they talk so faithfully, enthusiastically, and knowingly about the absolute truth of Santa Claus.

Know matter how convinced you are of your particular subjective experience, it remains no different to me than the children writing Santa who are just as convinced they are of their subjective experience. Does the consistency of this really escape you?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Have you ever had a really powerful moment of nostalgia and wished more than anything that you could revisit a time in the past?

I've been through my so-called "quarter-life crisis" where I realized that probably most of the friends I've ever had and once been really close to are gone for good from my life. I have new friends now, sure, but some of my oldest friends are distant now (physically and otherwise) such that if I see them it might just be for a few drinks or to say hello.

I have all these memories of things we used to do that just make me smile and it makes me so upset that I can't just press rewind for a day and live in those periods again. But even if I no longer see those friends, does that mean that the time we had was meaningless?

I'd say of course not. Those times were precious, and I am lucky to have ever had them at all.

What about the memories of those times? Are they only meaningful if I retain memories of them later? Again I'd say of course not. I'm still lucky to have ever had those experiences even if I don't have a memory of them later. It was still very much worth my time to experience those times and I'm still infinitely better off than any potential person who never existed to have similar experiences.

Well, I don't see how death is any different. It would be nice if there's an afterlife, but an afterlife doesn't define the worth of life. Everything we come to experience is still precious beyond my ability to exalt it with words even if we possibly cease to exist at the end. We don't need memories or futures to have had meaning in our lives in principle, but beyond that it's often the case that we do leave behind meaning that continues after we pass in the form of our contributions to our loved ones or even to strangers if we work hard to improve the world for future generations in the best way we can.

I've had your reservations about these affairs before, but I have since come to reject them as unfounded. I don't need to know I'll live forever to have a meaningful, fulfilling, and happy life. In the same way I can't go back to various "golden times" of my life but I'm still glad I had them -- and believe it would still ultimately have been good and "worth it" even if I couldn't remember them -- I believe that even if I slip into oblivion on death that the entirety of my life was still worth it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. What you say sounds very... natural and well thought out, a result of reflections from your past.

Although it was only a year ago I wrote the thread, not much has changed for me, but maybe the fact that I have come to more deeply believe, we are not in control of whether we believe certain things or not.
It would appear you an I have much in common from the bit of interacting on the RF. For example, we love to talk, we love to think deep thoughts, we love to explore the boundaries, we love to party, etc..
Yet, for all of that, when it comes to the question of God, quite often, there is a sharp divide between people. Some won't admit it and play the luke warm position of acceptance but deep inside they either believe or they don't. To me now, it is truly a mysteries we will never quite grasp.
I don't accept those that believe are simply gullible, or lacking in the critical thinking department, but simply believe for reasons unexplainable.
Anyway, it is always a joy to read your posts... Thanks.

 

[Muffled]

I don't really understand those who search for meaning. Life is to be lived and enjoyed. I think this is related to the boredom problem. Boredom is due to a lack of caring. It is the exact opposite of God who cares about everything. Could this be a form of rebellion?

A hard life could be due to karma. I know someone who didn't keep the commandment to honor mother and father. That person died young and in the next life was not raised by parents. The Bible says that you die and then comes the judgement. How you lived your life determines what your next life will be like.

An afterlife is more likely when reincarnation does not directly follow death. Wht that afterlife is like depends a great deal on what a person knows and believes. Obviously an attachment to the physical tends to cause many to hang around the world longing for another physical life. A belief in a cessation of intellect could lead a person to spend their aftelife in soul sleep.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I don't really understand those who search for meaning. Life is to be lived and enjoyed. I think this is related to the boredom problem. Boredom is due to a lack of caring. It is the exact opposite of God who cares about everything. Could this be a form of rebellion?

A hard life could be due to karma. I know someone who didn't keep the commandment to honor mother and father. That person died young and in the next life was not raised by parents. The Bible says that you die and then comes the judgement. How you lived your life determines what your next life will be like.

An afterlife is more likely when reincarnation does not directly follow death. Wht that afterlife is like depends a great deal on what a person knows and believes. Obviously an attachment to the physical tends to cause many to hang around the world longing for another physical life. A belief in a cessation of intellect could lead a person to spend their aftelife in soul sleep.

You claim Christianity, yet you preach something other.
To each his own, but you'd have a hard time backing up your assertions by using the bible. Maybe you're Christianity includes information outside of the bible?

Anyway, certainly thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject!

 

[PolyHedral]

You PolyHedral,
"pollyanna" is an English word that I addressed you with.
Check it with an authority that you trust that defines words correctly.

I am referring to your post #169

Ah, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the clarification.

Why is it that the law of "2x5=10" universally accepted? Because it is universally true!

It's because that's what the symbols 2, x, 5, =, 1 and 0 mean. Nothing else.

Just as their is intelligence behind the fake-Avatar in the Movie ---so similarly it is the case in all existing living creatures.

But that can't be backed up except by an argument from incredulity. There's no reason to think that there's some explicitly intelligent designer fiddling with the universe from behind the scenes.

There is no way out! Why? Because "existential" existence is absolutely real ---but temporal ---so there is a place beyond that facilitates the temporal "existential" existence to be congregation 'Place-to-be'.

Doesn't follow. Why does there need to be a place beyond?

So if there is no transcendant POV over our "existential" existence status . . . then you are lost. You are ignorant and befooled, hapless and minutely weak and sad and satisfied with just existing.

The universe is a big place, but what's wrong with ignorance? Ignorance can be fixed.

Walking on water....Reviving someone dead....healing fatal diseases in an instant....telling the future and never being wrong.....levatating and traveling by light. Materializing anything which they want to.....Having two bodies in two different places......Going breathless and then coming back after days.

Those are the type miracles I'm talking about that defy our everyday physics.

In order...
1) tricky, but probably doable. If all else fails, rewriting the witnesses' memories has the same effect.
2) Entirely doable with theoretical nanotechnology.
3) Ditto.
4) Doable if you have spacetime-manipulation technology, which hasn't been ruled out by physics. (Merely ruled "very impractical".)
5) What does traveling by light involve/look like?
6) Well, as written it's not possible, but you can appear to conjure things out of thin air with nanotechnology.
7) Having two bodies counts as a miracle? Someone needs to talk to James Cameron.
8) Easy if you can somehow oxygenate your blood without breathing. There's plenty of ways to do that, even with only modern technology.

As I said, all of these are permitted by the laws of physics. We just don't have a way of doing them yet.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

In order...
1) tricky, but probably doable. If all else fails, rewriting the witnesses' memories has the same effect.
2) Entirely doable with theoretical nanotechnology.
3) Ditto.
4) Doable if you have spacetime-manipulation technology, which hasn't been ruled out by physics. (Merely ruled "very impractical".)
5) What does traveling by light involve/look like?
6) Well, as written it's not possible, but you can appear to conjure things out of thin air with nanotechnology.
7) Having two bodies counts as a miracle? Someone needs to talk to James Cameron.
8) Easy if you can somehow oxygenate your blood without breathing. There's plenty of ways to do that, even with only modern technology.

As I said, all of these are permitted by the laws of physics. We just don't have a way of doing them yet.

Traveling by light is done when a Yogi sees his whole being as light and reconfigures his molecules to travel by astral current.

Ok then I agree with you that anything is possible once we know the means of doing them. The thing is most of those miracles will not be found by external practices or experiments. They can only be done by spiritual revelations.

 

[PolyHedral]

Traveling by light is done when a Yogi see's his whole being as light and reconfigures his molecules to travel by astral current.

Ok then I agree with you that anything is possible once we know the means of doing them. The thing is most of those miracles will not be found by external practices or experiments. They can only be done by spiritual revelations.

But all of the solutions I just listed are technological in nature. They only require you to build the right machine.

 

[ellenjanuary]

But all of the solutions I just listed are technological in nature. They only require you to build the right machine.

And the future of we
just may be
that machine
with conception of time
left behind
and causal realms
no longer to helm
the mind.

 

[Kriya Yogi]

But all of the solutions I just listed are technological in nature. They only require you to build the right machine.

I'm not talking about machines. I'm talking about a human being being able to do any of these things without an inorganic machine. Real miracles not copy cats done with technology. Most of the things you said will not be able to be done with technology. That is why scientists have ruled them out.