When I die, what's it all about?

[themadhair]

Than I would have to conclude the smartest of all minds wrote the bible, because in my experience it is so perfect a reflection of my life. So perfect indeed, it almost seems like it was written by G..... nah, I won't say it

I’m hesitant to throw this thought out there for fear of possibly rubbing some folks the wrong way, but please try to take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
There are a number of groups out there that seem to be able to attract people by appearing to understand them and provide those people with answers. Groups like Tony Quinn, scientology, the secret, psychics, etc. are masters of doing just that. I’m not equating the bible to those groups, but what I am trying to say is it that the human emotions and desires that make those groups appealing have been known for centuries.

 

[logician]

"The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom "

Why should the fear of anything lead to wisdom?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Isn't playing with your kids and enjoying your wife's company enough?
I certainly would hardly call those things "nothing".. Indeed they are the most important things I can think of. I would rather have one life filled with such simple joys than an eternity of the monotony that passes as heaven.

wa:do

People pass this so often and its sad when it is realized that the fullest meaning and illumination is lost through the misdirection of intensive musings. -NM-

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Isn't playing with your kids and enjoying your wife's company enough?
I certainly would hardly call those things "nothing".. Indeed they are the most important things I can think of. I would rather have one life filled with such simple joys than an eternity of the monotony that passes as heaven.

wa:do

No it is definitely not enough. That to me is torture. It is love un realized, because it is temporary. It causes me severe pain to think we won't go on forever. So I do certainly enjoy them now, as much as I can.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

"The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom "

Why should the fear of anything lead to wisdom?

As far as I am concerned, Fear of God is unique because it is the first step in understanding who I am.
I never said fear of anything, you did.

 

[painted wolf]

People pass this so often and its sad when it is realized that the fullest meaning and illumination is lost through the misdirection of intensive musings. -NM-

It's sad that so many people spend their lives wonder "what is it all for" only to miss the answer right in front of them. How many realize this simple truth too late in life to really soak it all in?

wa:do

 

[Just_me_Mike]

"The fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom "

Why should the fear of anything lead to wisdom?

Since I didn't really explain, let me do this again. To me, if God and the bible are the closest thing I have found in way of explanation of my experience in life. Than, I trust in the fact that when God says to fear him is the beginning of wisdom. I attribute my understanding of everything else to the fact I feared him first,
Just basic order of operations, I suppose.

 

[painted wolf]

No it is definitely not enough. That to me is torture. It is love un realized, because it is temporary. It causes me severe pain to think we won't go on forever. So I do certainly enjoy them now, as much as I can.

Then I mourn you're loss. Thinking about what you may not have, only to never fully appreciate what you already have.

Regardless of what awaits us after death, Creator gave us this life to enjoy and seek fulfillment from. Our families and friends are the key to such peace.

wa:do

 

[Bishadi]

Wow!

What a great thread. Not sure if i should get into this one.

Have you ever observed the differences of instinct and consciousness?

We breath instinctively, we reproduce instinctively and often react in the same manner but we can think about our actions before causing an action.

We can take into consideration consequences and observe the effects of our impositions before we even do anything.

We learn within this balance of 'good and evil' based on what is affected by our actions.

Good to see an inmate as he knows that to be a 'punk' or even hear the word used on the yard, someone may be killed. (responsibility for your actions)

The reason why many religions become the landing spot is it gives that hope of what life is supposed to be about (for).

The bible and the churches are like socates and freud combined with a few thousands of years worth of accumulated knowledge into a book(s). SO of course the wisdom is within the literature as within most all religious frames.

It is only these last few 100 years that grounding life to mass and energy had even been attempted with such vigor.

The last chapter is to understand 'life' itself.

What does it do?

think in the lines.... if, there were no words; what would you learn from nature to fullfill your obligation to God?

You can think, and you have the internet; what is the purpose of life?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

It's sad that so many people spend their lives wonder "what is it all for" only to miss the answer right in front of them. How many realize this simple truth too late in life to really soak it all in?

wa:do

That would be sad. However in my case, I know what it is all for, but the point of this thread, is for those that don't have the answers, and at the day of their death, all the philosophy, and logic inthe world won't help in the afterlife, if it is the wrong one.

 

[painted wolf]

And yet to think that your family isn't enough for you... to me that is tragic.

Perhaps I'm just too thankful for what Creator has given me now, to worry about what I may get later..

wa:do

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

That would be sad. However in my case, I know what it is all for, but the point of this thread, is for those that don't have the answers, and at the day of their death, all the philosophy, and logic inthe world won't help in the afterlife, if it is the wrong one.

So... the reason you're sad is because you're full of pity for us? That's not how the thread started out lol.

All the philosophy, logic, knowledge of god, and love in the world obviously doesn't help you even get through the day without thinking of your own and your family's death.

I personally think that's sad, and I hope you get some other help for it.

Take care.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

So... the reason you're sad is because you're full of pity for us? That's not how the thread started out lol.

All the philosophy, logic, knowledge of god, and love in the world obviously doesn't help you even get through the day without thinking of your own and your family's death.

I personally think that's sad, and I hope you get some other help for it.

Take care.

My original OP did have a tone of this, especially at the end of it.
I just wonder and have a hard time grasping what someone would think before they die, not knowing what was next. I then pointed out how through my life expeience, my questions had been answered for me.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

And yet to think that your family isn't enough for you... to me that is tragic.

Perhaps I'm just too thankful for what Creator has given me now, to worry about what I may get later..

wa:do

With all do respect... ARE YOU SERIOUS???
My family could be taken at any second, or me taken away from them. There is no way in the world it is good enough to just have them now.
That is a selfish and ignoant stance, and one I could only realize later on in my life, that it is wrong to think like that.
So what, if they die from an accident, it is somehow OK becuase I enjoyed them while they were here? Than maybe I can move on and find others whom I can enjoy their love? Of course we all do this "move on" but to simply ignore the realities of death and not want their lives to go on forever, if possible, to me is of more importance.
Just doesn't compute, so yes I enjoy the heck out of them now, but I know it could disappear in a second, and you might be wise to consider the same, and realize the eternal value of your loved ones soul is far more important than a selfish, self serving notion of how you feel right now.

Do you understand what I am saying? Really not trying to fight, but express the extreme of what I am saying to see if the point makes it through, even if just a little bit.

Thanks....

 

[Twilight Hue]

That would be sad. However in my case, I know what it is all for, but the point of this thread, is for those that don't have the answers, and at the day of their death, all the philosophy, and logic inthe world won't help in the afterlife, if it is the wrong one.

Of course the philosophy and logic wont help. There is no use for a raft once you've crossed the river. Ask Pascal.

 

[themadhair]

That would be sad. However in my case, I know what it is all for, but the point of this thread, is for those that don't have the answers, and at the day of their death, all the philosophy, and logic inthe world won't help in the afterlife, if it is the wrong one.

 

[painted wolf]

With all do respect... ARE YOU SERIOUS???
My family could be taken at any second, or me taken away from them.

Yup, I'm serious.
And yes, they could be taken from you... but why obsess over it? It seems unhealthy to me.

There is no way in the world it is good enough to just have them now.

That seems a bit of a selfish way to respond to a gift from Creator.
It's not good enough unless I can have it forever and ever and ever.... seems a tad spoiled.

That is a selfish and ignoant stance, and one I could only realize later on in my life, that it is wrong to think like that.

I don't see how it's selfish or ignorant to be happy with the gifts Creator gives... For however long Creator chooses to give them.

So what, if they die from an accident, it is somehow OK becuase I enjoyed them while they were here?

It's better you loved and shared joy with them, than fretted about their upcoming deaths... yes.

Than maybe I can move on and find others whom I can enjoy their love?

Why not? Are you only allowed so much love and happiness in one life?

Of course we all do this "move on" but to simply ignore the realities of death and not want their lives to go on forever, if possible, to me is of more importance.

The reality of death is that Creator put an end point to our lives. Creator had a good reason to choose to introduce death to the world, and I'm not arrogant enough to question that.
However death is just a part of the journey... not the destination. So why obsess over it?

Just doesn't compute, so yes I enjoy the heck out of them now, but I know it could disappear in a second, and you might be wise to consider the same, and realize the eternal value of your loved ones soul is far more important than a selfish, self serving notion of how you feel right now.

I do realize the eternal value of my loved ones souls... but I only have this life right now to do so. I trust Creator to look after them.
I don't consider it selfish to help them have a good and enjoyable life and to celebrate their lives. How would it help them to burden them with my fears for their death?
Seems a bit morbid and depressing.

Do you understand what I am saying? Really not trying to fight, but express the extreme of what I am saying to see if the point makes it through, even if just a little bit.
Thanks....

I understand in an abstract way... but from a practical standpoint I can't understand. Our views of Creator are quite different.

wa:do

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Yup, I'm serious.
And yes, they could be taken from you... but why obsess over it? It seems unhealthy to me.


That seems a bit of a selfish way to respond to a gift from Creator.
It's not good enough unless I can have it forever and ever and ever.... seems a tad spoiled.


I don't see how it's selfish or ignorant to be happy with the gifts Creator gives... For however long Creator chooses to give them.


It's better you loved and shared joy with them, than fretted about their upcoming deaths... yes.


Why not? Are you only allowed so much love and happiness in one life?


The reality of death is that Creator put an end point to our lives. Creator had a good reason to choose to introduce death to the world, and I'm not arrogant enough to question that.
However death is just a part of the journey... not the destination. So why obsess over it?


I do realize the eternal value of my loved ones souls... but I only have this life right now to do so. I trust Creator to look after them.
I don't consider it selfish to help them have a good and enjoyable life and to celebrate their lives. How would it help them to burden them with my fears for their death?
Seems a bit morbid and depressing.

I understand in an abstract way... but from a practical standpoint I can't understand. Our views of Creator are quite different.

wa:do

Respect

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Bump
***good conversation from the past***

 

[Penumbra]

Before I leave for a rest of the afternoon meeting, I would like to share something.

I often wonder when playing with my kids, and enjoying my wife's company, why go through this, if it is for nothing?

Because you enjoy it, hopefully. Those things increase the eudaimonia in your life and the lives of others. It's not for nothing if you make them happy and they make you happy.