When Is It Right To Refuse Service To Someone?

[Revoltingest]

Let's say that you own a restaurant.
It's a popular one, serving typically British fare, eg, boiled meat, warm beer, deep fried haggis.
In walks someone you recognize.
The would be patron belongs to some group whose agenda you oppose.
You really dislike that agenda, & therefore that person.

And of course this scenario has additional complications.
Don't complain that I didn't address them. But feel free
to discuss them.

 

[Rival]

Tbf I'd be thinking more about that person's money. Who gives a phuck who it comes from amirite?

 

[David1967]

I see the signs that say ,"we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". But do we? That is the much debated and litigated question isn't it? Refusing service to someone who holds a differing opinion than me or works for someone I dont like? I would never do that.

 

[Altfish]

I'd serve them, as long as they are not trying to further their agenda by (say) linking you or your establishment to their agenda.
By engaging with them you also get a chance to call them out on their politics.

 

[PureX]

Let's say that you own a restaurant.
It's a popular one, serving typically British fare, eg, boiled meat, warm beer, deep fried haggis.
In walks someone you recognize.
The would be patron belongs to some group whose agenda you oppose.
You really dislike that agenda, & therefore that person.

And of course this scenario has additional complications.
Don't complain that I didn't address them. But feel free
to discuss them.

Let's say your restaurant is theme oriented, and the patrons are expected to come dressed in some period attire in keeping with the theme (or some reasonable attire in keeping with the theme will be provided for them at the door). Should a customer refuse to wear the required attire, it would be both reasonable and legal to refuse them service. And the reason is that the service you are providing logically and necessarily requires their participation. Should they refuse to participate, they are interrupting the service that your restaurant is providing to everyone else.

Same goes for, "no shirt, no shoes, no service", and many other similar stipulations and requirements that are associated with the reasonable conduct of commercial exchange.

 

[sun rise]

If nothing else, serving someone in that situation is a chance to subject them to propaganda. Just to be against type, how about serving a socialist a "libertarian burger" with "no taxes" fries and "the state is evil" beer from a menu which extols the virtue of having minimal government?

 

[sun rise]

I'd serve them, as long as they are not trying to further their agenda by (say) linking you or your establishment to their agenda.
By engaging with them you also get a chance to call them out on their politics.

Great minds think alike.

 

[Revoltingest]

Great minds think alike.

But....
“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.”
- George S Patton.

This isn't a comment about your post.
Just a quote I like.

 

[Altfish]

But....
“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.”
- George S Patton.

This isn't a comment about your post.
Just a quote I like.

Isn't the full quote something like...

"Great minds think alike; Fools rarely differ"

 

[Revoltingest]

Isn't the full quote something like...

"Great minds think alike; Fools rarely differ"

Not the one I cited.
Besides, fools are a diverse lot, & will differ loudly.
Just look at our forum.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

"Great minds think alike; Fools rarely differ"

The version I learned was, "Great minds think alike, but so do mediocre ones."

Speaking of which, has anybody else noticed that when you italicize a period, it doesn't change?

 

[Revoltingest]

The version I learned was, "Great minds think alike, but so do mediocre ones."

Speaking of which, has anybody else noticed that when you italicize a period, it doesn't change?

It does!
The circular dot leans to the right.
Here is a regular dot....

And here is an italicized dot....

Notice how it's rotated clockwise about 15 degrees?

 

[Shad]

Let's say your restaurant is theme oriented, and the patrons are expected to come dressed in some period attire in keeping with the theme (or some reasonable attire in keeping with the theme will be provided for them at the door). Should a customer refuse to wear the required attire, it would be both reasonable and legal to refuse them service. And the reason is that the service you are providing logically and necessarily requires their participation. Should they refuse to participate, they are interrupting the service that your restaurant is providing to everyone else.

Same goes for, "no shirt, no shoes, no service", and many other similar stipulations and requirements that are associated with the reasonable conduct of commercial exchange.

A problem is dress codes, even themes, can be used to indirect discriminate against those incapable of meeting that criteria. The standard could be set to a level financially out of reach by the poor and homeless thus they can be refused service. The standard can be created to target such people as the owner wants to maintain a reputation based on part quality of the customers thus created for a purpose. The homeless are often chased away due to the impact they have due to other customers perceptions by use of such standards.

Could a Christian baker change the store to a Christian theme (say Evangelical)? Could the owner refuse service if a gay couple ordering a wedding cake as the customers are not following the theme?

 

[sun rise]

It does!
The circular dot leans to the right.
Here is a regular dot....

And here is an italicized dot....

Notice how it's rotated clockwise about 15 degrees?

Dots nice.

 

[sun rise]

A problem is dress codes, even themes, can be used to indirect discriminate against those incapable of meeting that criteria. The standard could be set to a level financially out of reach by the poor and homeless thus they can be refused service. The standard can be created to target such people as the owner wants to maintain a reputation based on part quality of the customers thus created for a purpose. The homeless are often chased away due to the impact they have due to other customers perceptions by use of such standards.

Could a Christian baker change the store to a Christian theme (say Evangelical)? Could the owner refuse service if a gay couple ordering a wedding cake as the customers are not following the theme?

There was a case about a Muslim cab driver refusing a fair by someone with alcohol. And, of course, it's fair to flip the example to a pagan restaurant owner refusing service to anyone with no woad on their body (to not use the obvious example).

 

[Shad]

There was a case about a Muslim cab driver refusing a fair by someone with alcohol.

Who won?

And, of course, it's fair to flip the example to a pagan restaurant owner refusing service to anyone with no woad on their body (to not use the obvious example).

Yah. Just pointing out theme and/or dress codes create a filter which most people ignore while focusing on obvious filters.

A polytheist would be interesting considering some of the monotheist views which exist regarding polytheism. Although in my experience hardcore monotheists never patron any openly polytheist and/or pagan stores.

(filters as in a standard by which customers are screened.)

 

[Altfish]

It does!
The circular dot leans to the right.
Here is a regular dot....

And here is an italicized dot....

Notice how it's rotated clockwise about 15 degrees?

Even the full stops are turning right on this website!!

Fake news

 

[PureX]

Could a Christian baker change the store to a Christian theme (say Evangelical)? Could the owner refuse service if a gay couple ordering a wedding cake as the customers are not following the theme?

Yes, he could easily create a Christian club/co-op bakery that would be members-only, and set being heterosexual as one of the member requirements. The difference is that it would not be open to the general pubic, so no one is being offered service and then turned away. The offering is only being made to the club/co-op members, and they can set any criteria for membership that they want.

 

[Estro Felino]

Lol...all these threads because of Sarah Sander's misadventure.

Dear Sarah...treasure this experience as a badge of honor...because it's a honor to be despised when you're right.

In Rome we say: se er monno è cattivo...è mejo

Answering the question...here it's illegal to refuse service to someone

 

[Shad]

Yes, he could easily create a Christian club/co-op bakery that would be members-only, and set being heterosexual as one of the member requirements. The difference is that it would not be open to the general pubic, so no one is being offered service and then turned away. The offering is only being made to the club/co-op members, and they can set any criteria for membership that they want.

I am not talking about members only but a standard like a dress code or theme in which the customer is responsible to meet the standard and can denied service when they do not. If themes are not regulated by law one can use it to target people. That was my point by linking dress codes with the poor. One can set a dress code outside the capabilities of the poor to meet in order to avoid serving the poor and the reputation which comes with it.