When Jesus died on the cross

[paarsurrey]

Then why was Pilate surprised He died so fast? (Mark 15:44) And it took much longer to kill the two thieves ...

It is an important clue.
Pilate new that Jesus was innocent and had committed no sin or acted against the state, so he maneuvered the event in such a way that Jesus survives and does not die. Right, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The cross was a tortuous death, which is why the Romans used it. In most cases, according to Roman historians, the body was left up for days, with the birds picking apart the body that was also rotting in full display on a hill so many could see.

Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that the stake was used in eretz Israel, thus there's no reason to believe it was. And if it was just a stake, why would the oldest depictions show a cross?

The Greek word used is "stauros", which means "stake", but that word stood for any wooden structure of that type whether it be an actual stake or a cross or any wooden pole with attachments. The oldest Roman depiction of the cross is found near the end of the 1st century.

A whole cross estimated at weighing roughly 300 lbs., which makes the stake being carried highly unlikely. But the cross-member they believe weighed only roughly 100 lbs., which is feasible to carry but with great difficulty no doubt.

Anyhow, here's a source with links that you might check out, and it's compatible with other sources I've read: Crucifixion - Wikipedia

" In most cases, according to Roman historians, the body was left up for days, with the birds picking apart the body that was also rotting in full display on a hill so many could see."

Jesus was delivered from the Cross or pole in a few hours, it is an important clue that Pilate did not want that Jesus dies as he was an innocent man. Right, please?

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[metis]

The spear also proved that Jesus was still alive. Right, please?

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Ya, but it would shorten his life on the cross.

 

[metis]

Jesus was delivered from the Cross or pole in a few hours, it is an important clue that Pilate did not want that Jesus dies as he was an innocent man. Right, please?

Hard to say, but it's possible that Pilate didn't want any more disruptions that "the Way" might cause if they left him up.

 

[paarsurrey]

what Jesus died on looked more like

which make more sents when you realize how quickly he died as compared to how long it would take on a cross

These are only afterthoughts. Right, please?

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[lostwanderingsoul]

Every picture you see of Jesus shows him in a long white robe. But the Roman soldiers gambled to see who would get his clothes. He wore good clothes similar to what others wore. Not just a robe.

 

[cataway]

The spear also proved that Jesus was still alive. Right, please?

Regards

you do not believe ? even as Thomas did not believe Jesus said to him
John 20:27 Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.”

 

[paarsurrey]

you do not believe ? even as Thomas did not believe Jesus said to him
John 20:27 Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.”

One understands it wrongly. Jesus wanted to tell his disciples that he was the same human being as he was before when he was put on the Cross/pole, as he did not die on the Cross/pole. One could see the wounds on his physical body by putting one's physical hand in the physical human body of Jesus. This is the correct understanding. Right, please?

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[rational experiences]

First of all, the theme male human spiritual scientist Healer self, was just a male.

And he was attacked and given stigmata...so was his family.

The fight for human rights is never just about one self, for that would be unrealistic.

The circumstance is secret scientific symbolism, for you seem to forget that after Moses as a known incident, the way in which science was taught, was just for the group mentality. Otherwise research of the past would not have claimed, but how could science have been practiced, when maths only began being stated publicly afterwards!

Yet it was, in secret ways of symbolism aligned to numerical evaluations and secret names and secret inferences...that only the Satanic self knew.

It is had already been cloud proven that JESUS is seen in various poses in the cloud. From being on a cross symbolism, to being bound by his arms.

And the statues back in the olden days were white.....as it was the CLOUD IMAGES that they were discussing....they were not discussing anything else.

For that was part of the phenomena that had convinced the public. For it was seen in the Heavens, if you cared to use human logic.

Stigmata depending on the severity can be lived, expressed and then it can go away.

The TEST of the sea of the son, when no ICE was being formed was applied as scientific proof that they had been attacking life due to ICE removal.....so it had to be substantiated legally as a condition of proof.

And it was.

Arguing over what humans today think is the supernatural is ludicrous. We see the supernatural, we are bodily affected by the supernatural, yet it was always separate to our lived self presence.

The science statement said that they burst the sound waves...they were sacrificed, and the resurrection only stated that after a huge loss of natural ground water in the stone did your evil devil mowing PHI symbols own presence if that is what you are inferring....did PHI still exist he says.

What about all of the destruction you caused and the losses...ever consider those circumstances do you Satanists?