When Should Women Obey Their Husbands?

[savagewind]

Where are you? Looking at buttons?

 

[oldbadger]

I post about the NT because I can read Greek & Aramaic.

For what it's worth to you, I'm very impressed.

I post in this thread because I don't think women should be inherently subordinate to men 'lest that is their wish.

Snap..... and vicky-verky. ...... men should not be subordinate to wives unless they wish.

 

[oldbadger]

Where are you? Looking at buttons?

Ah ha! It's Friday evening........ again!

Well, it is for me, anyway. Mrs B has gone to bed and I'm all alone wiv me bottle.... no buttons!

 

[savagewind]

Ah ha! It's Friday evening........ again!

Well, it is for me, anyway. Mrs B has gone to bed and I'm all alone wiv me bottle.... no buttons!

a button for you

 

[Nietzsche]

For what it's worth to you, I'm very impressed.

It isn't very impressive to be honest.

Snap..... and vicky-verky. ...... men should not be subordinate to wives unless they wish.

I agree.

 

[oldbadger]

.......................................If this is how people react in general, indeed I'll just quit my account in 1 or 2 days. In real life, I find much better conversations.

Hang on...... you can't leave yet!
You've only just arrived!
I haven't even said 'Welcome' yet....
Oh.... Ummmm.... 'Welcome to RF!'
Honestly..... hang about...... there are some very very extraordinary folks on this forum. Not me, of course..... I'm just a Deist carpet-cleaner....

 

[oldbadger]

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Alright........ I'll bite.
What is this about buttons? Do you collect buttons?
My wife's uncle and aunty collected buttons for years...... cabinets full of the bloody things. I thought they were nuts. Uncle Vic kept on about how they were worth scores of thousands of pounds, but when their marriage collapsed they sold the lot for a few hundred quid, just to get rid of them.

 

[oldbadger]

It isn't very impressive to be honest.

Well, I often wonder how historic Jesus (Yeshua? Iousus? ) thought, how he spoke, his use of idiom, and how transliteration works together with all its shortcomings and failures.

That's a doorway that I'll never be able to open myself, but I can listen to others that do know and can see.

 

[savagewind]

Alright........ I'll bite.
What is this about buttons? Do you collect buttons?
My wife's uncle and aunty collected buttons for years...... cabinets full of the bloody things. I thought they were nuts. Uncle Vic kept on about how they were worth scores of thousands of pounds, but when their marriage collapsed they sold the lot for a few hundred quid, just to get rid of them.

They might have been worth thousands of pounds. I went to Hawaii on money I made from buttons.

 

[Ingledsva]

Clearly what we see will be forced onto the shoulders of men, they were the ones carrying the weight in the first place! But don't forget, whilst they have been holding women down, as you put it, they have also been protecting them and fighting for them. It seems that certain women can only see one side of the fence... theirs.

Dude, you are turning this into a male versus female thread, - stop.


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[Revoltingest]

They might have been worth thousands of pounds. I went to Hawaii on money I made from buttons.

From this guy?

 

[Ingledsva]

It matters not what word you use, there is differences and those differeneces will be recognised, even if you choose to say they don't exist.

And still against men.... I suppose you forgot to put that bit in did you?

Which backs up what I said. We are different, not the same.

Are we talking about biggoted women now or biggoted men? Oh, I guess it would be men as your a feminist, right? does that make you a bigot? Just asking.

What problem do you have with different?

We are discussing reality - bigger does not make you superior.

I could say as a female I'm superior - as I can produce new humans - without a male. New technology has shown that since I have the eggs, a second female DNA can be added to the egg resulting in a brand new different female baby, No male needed.

However, it would be just as ridiculous for me to say this makes me superior, as it is for males to say size makes them superior.

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[Ingledsva]

Yes it does. People in the police force are called ''their superior'' because of rank, which is another form of power. Do I need to say that again?

So what? They are not human.

Rubbish. A monkey is not a man. Perhaps all the men should let the women do the fighting in future. They could claim that just because I am stonger than you does not make me superior so I shall let you deal with the nutter before us.

BULL! You are just different.

Again - I could say females are superior, as they can produce new humans without men.

There is actually an old SiFi show about this very subject. Wish I could remember the name.

PS. Wars should be avoided by ALL. However when unavoidable, both male and female should fight. Women have said this for a long time.

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[Ingledsva]

Good. So try putting that into your comments then, otherwise it will sound one sided won't it.

Why would I when we were not discussing it?


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[Ingledsva]

A man should take 'the lead' in general in a relationship. The majority of women, except for some more 'free fought types', love it when in general, a guy takes initiative what to do, even though they won't say it openly. Nature works this way! Also few guys get a relationship if they hope the woman makes the first move and starts to talk to them : ) So in this way, and it was more so in old days, a woman should not do things that make a man feel downgraded. Like humiliate him in public for family or friends, go a lot against his decisions, etc. For a man by nature, not feeling insulted is his life. Men love honor and respect in a woman. For a woman there are other things that upset her that men do. A woman should let a guy in general take charge or...at least give him the impression he does so and make him feel respected and valued.

In the New Testament Paul also said for this reasons a woman is not allowed to speak against a man in church but ask for clearance at home. This text is a bit outdated and should be seen as symbolic, because traditionally Jewish women in the service chattered loudly also humiliating their husbands a bit. That's the reason.

The Bible texts are taken out of context
1 Peter 3 - The text reads when the woman submits to the man, they may be won over by their gentle spirit instead of spending only money on jewelry etc. Practically this means that in old days, a lot of man were rough, unbelievers and if a woman is soft (sincere, but not weak and manipulative) in heart, the men would calm down and be 'won over' by her spirit. After all, men can go against a woman so much but if a woman cries or shows her hurt, the men always calm down and talk to her, unless he is a real ******* of course.

Ephesians 5 - Works TWO ways if you read it. A man is also asked there to treat his woman like his own body. What man hates his own body? A man should give his wife affection and true love, show interest in her life a bit, etc. Help her emotionally etc. He should also share his own feelings and be honest to her in any aspect. Then a woman has some transparency in how a guy really is. After all, they are one body.

That is the Christian - Man as head idea - which I do not agree with, nor am I a Christian.

The idea that men need to be in charge of women is just bull.

I was raised, CORRECTLY, just like the guys. I hike, boat, fish, hunt, and brink home the bacon, without need of any male.

Do I have a male partner? Yes. Two. Because it is not about they or I being superior, or in charge of the other.

It is about mutual respect, and love.

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[Ingledsva]

I had 2 relationships before. Now in a third one and have been married for almost 10 years since 2005. I am a bit more old fashioned than other man, but that's probably because I am 50% Yugoslavian.

Married to a male? or a female?

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[Ingledsva]

Wifely submission, obedience has been indicated from the Genesis account with Adam and Eve. Part of Eve's sin was her lack of respect for her husband. He, not God, had told her what God had told him about the forbidden fruit. Yet. she went ahead and followed her own ideas. This problem surely is ever-present even in today's Christian and Jewish marriages.
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And how exactly does this myth - which says Adam and Chav'vah get a punishment, - somehow spread to all other women whom have not eaten of that tree? And I might add - only women!

If it extends to future people, - How dare Men leave off toiling in the in the thorns and thistles?

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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[Ingledsva]

I should tell you. I think curiosity is cute. Don't you? Button club Did you know there was such a thing? Home
But I have never been to Nationals.

I clip buttons from old clothes that I'm going to toss (not donatable clothing.) It is a habit I picked up from my Great Grandmother. Around here Native people make beautiful button blankets.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Mankind who acts like the god of the bible? No, I want nothing to do with them.

People die all the time. That doesn't mean anything. It's life. People trying to attribute meaning to everything that happens are delusional.

And even Christians agree with me in most cases. If someone walked around praising peter pan for helping them getting over the flu, or finding a job, or their new car, virtually everyone would write them off as bat **** insane. But when a christian does the same, attributing it all to god or jesus....

Those two examples are not even in the same leahue. I am surprised you would even use them. And it does not answer the things we see around us. If God is not in control, then anything could happen.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It's not a philosophical position, it's biological. I don't understand why so many people consider intelligence to be unnatural.

I don't

Whether you believe it is evolved or God given through free will, it is in our nature too.

Sure.

Intelligence will always supercede "primordial" urges because no matter how strong the urge, we will always have the ability to choose not to obey it. If anyone claims they can't overcome their natural urges they're either being lazy or they really don't want to. Either way, it's no excuse for anti-social behavior.

Hmmm... I disagree. When someone is put in a life threatening position, their primordial instincts WILL kick in, kick in or die. There are well documented events where people have helped in life threatening instances and many where they have not, and just run. That is our promorial instincts, and we follow them far more than you know it seems. It governs a whole lot of our lives, if you stop to think about it. Even such a thing a football has little to do with a game but more to do with catching game or killing one's enemy.