When Should Women Obey Their Husbands?

[Ingledsva]

Based on the bible, men are the head of the household. Women are the foundation of the house, and are responsible for nurturing.

Genesis.

16. To the woman He said, "I shall surely increase your sorrow and your pregnancy; in pain you shall bear children. And to your husband will be your desire, and he will rule over you."

It is a myth. And There is not enough time from their children, to now, for all the diversity we have in humans.

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[freethinker44]

In a split second choice? no. Instinct always take over. That is when lions turn into lambs and lambs into lions.

Well for one, we're not talking about a split second choice here, we're talking about an ideology. There is plenty of time to choose not to discriminate against another group of people. Also you're referring to reflex, not instinct in split second reactions, there is a clear difference between the two.

And second, instinct never takes over. Intelligence always trumps instinct. But this is kind off topic and frankly I have no desire to debate it because in my experiences the idea of human instinct is so ingrained that people have a really hard time letting it go, even when they finally agree with me about it as soon as the conversation ends they revert back to speaking of human behavior in terms of instinct so there's really no point.

For the purposes of this discussion we can forget the second part and argue the first part of this post, that the idea that one gender is superior by nature isn't a split second decision. In this situation intelligence trumps instinct. Even if there is a legitimate natural urge to discriminate or subjugate another group, that is not a valid excuse for the behavior because you always have the ability to choose not to follow that urge.

 

[Ingledsva]

As an individual, I can't make potential assailants less violent, except in some cases where I can manipulate them emotionally. But I can take steps to protect myself. Tonite I'm heading into Detroit for dinner (with my 380 Colt).

That is what I pack as my concealed, too. A stainless Colt Government MK IV 380. A nice little gun.

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[Ingledsva]

haha.... one cannot be ''married'' to the same gender. We may pretend that we are, and we may put it into mans laws, but it is not possible to join male and male nor female and female. That is to adulterate something. I see from your last few comments why you hate the Bible so much.

According to the law it is in many places, and soon everywhere. Too bad for you folks, great for everyone else.

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Based on the bible, men are the head of the household. Women are the foundation of the house, and are responsible for nurturing.

Genesis.

16. To the woman He said, "I shall surely increase your sorrow and your pregnancy; in pain you shall bear children. And to your husband will be your desire, and he will rule over you."

One of the ways of looking at that is that God was telling them what some of the results of the Fall were going to be. That's not a stamp of approval. It's like how in Catholicism, we do not believe that Mary suffered from pains while giving birth to Christ because she was without Original Sin.

 

[Willamena]

That is what I pack as my concealed, too. A stainless Colt Government MK IV 380. A nice little gun.

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Yay. We Canadians are secretly hoping that all you Americans shoot each other, and we can take over your country.

 

[Ingledsva]

Yay. We Canadians are secretly hoping that all you Americans shoot each other, and we can take over your country.

LOL! I haven't shot anyone yet. It is for protection from the animals, both critter, and human.

I have used it once as a deterrent when I was visiting Juneau. A group of men came at me with crude comments, and what they wanted to do to me, etc., in a dark parking lot. Just flashing the gun was enough to send them scurrying in the other direction. LOL!

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[oldbadger]

My husband ordered me not to bring up our children as Jehovah's Witnesses. He believes in freedom of religion and often made it hard for me but he never once ordered me to stop. I am so glad I did not persuade any of my children to be dedicated. If I had and they did now they would consider me dead.

Thank goodness that things turned out as they did.
I requested that my wife did not bring up our children as Bahais, and although she was dedicated to that religion she did not object to me talking about other religions, or placing books about other beliefs amongst the bahai books. Both children are agnostic now, and that's not bad.
I guess that you must have been with your husband for a long time now, my guess made from reading your posts over 2-3 years.

 

[oldbadger]

Perhaps you should re-read post #324 more closely and re-consider it's meaning and practical application.

Please don't send me back to read posts. If you have something to say, please say it..... preferably as briefly as possible.

 

[oldbadger]

............................. I also fish, set crab pots, and shrimp pots, etc.
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................. excellent. Do you haul them up by hand or do you have an articulated winch.... or what?
What kind of boat do you have?
How do you keep your hands warm?
I had to stop fishing because of Reynards/Reynolds disease..... white-finger.

 

[Ingledsva]

................. excellent. Do you haul them up by hand or do you have an articulated winch.... or what?
What kind of boat do you have?
How do you keep your hands warm?
I had to stop fishing because of Reynards/Reynolds disease..... white-finger.

Hello.

We have several boats for different weather, or destinations. We have a 19 foot jet-boat for the river, a 24 foot speed boat for calm days and fun, water skiing, etc., and a 27 foot cabin cruiser for longer trips. (As well as a canoe.) The canoe works well to bring game out, if you can catch them near the river's side streams. I know that sounds like a lot of boats, but it is kind of standard here on an Alaskan Island.

I used to haul the pots by hand - what a pain! My Aunt actually died pulling crab pots. We don't know exactly what happened, she ran her own commercial fishing boat since she was a teenager, but something happened and the boat rolled over and she died. We now have a motorized system with a swing arm. A fisherman friend, showed us how to set up for, and set and pick, a full string of pots, rather than one at a time.

How do I keep my hands warm? Ummm! It's January and it is still 48 degrees out!

When working on the water though, I use those insolated rubber non slip gloves. You know, the kind with the rough knobby non slip palms.

What kinds of fishing did you do?

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[Robert.Evans]

Aha! "Not all the time". Good!

Funny.
I have already said it depended on who you are speaking of. You think of the secular world perhaps, or those not truly enlightened. But why would you think it meant all the time about everything? The man is the head of the
woman and the woman is the help-meet which means she is the ''counterpart'' to the man.
That does not imply she has no brain.
If she were a counterpart, one would expect her to be able to communicate with the man. (I don't even know why I have to explain all these things). And the woman only has to defer to the man if he is within the confines of the law... and that ultimately comes from ''love your fellow man'', which means he can do no harm to her.... but that does not mean the woman takes advantage of that to manipulate situations.

Being allowed to do things is not licence to do them. Keeping people off the grass so as not to damage it, does not mean the sons and daughters cannot go on it. But it might be seen as the right thing to do, to not go on it, as it would be taking advantage of someone's good nature.

 

[Robert.Evans]

As an individual, I can't make potential assailants less violent, except in some cases where I can manipulate them emotionally. But I can take steps to protect myself. Tonite I'm heading into Detroit for dinner (with my 380 Colt).

Haha.... to an English man, that is funny... going to dinner, so pack my gun, just in case the soup is cold

 

[Robert.Evans]

Headship. The buck stops with him

Correct. Now that wasn't difficult was it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

And does the wife simply have no choice but endure until her husband

endure what? I always see this slant that somehow, if women do not have power, men will be running-amuck

 

[Robert.Evans]

This is not what "headship" means in the godly sense. I Iike how you said "he admonishes and guides toward what is Godly." That is true. The husband is to admonish and guide, but not to make decisions unilaterally. There is no rightful place for dominance in marriage. He is to take the lead, but they are to be equal partners. The ultimate accountability before God is to fall upon his shoulders, though they are both accountable to God for their own actions. The patriarch answers first and foremost to God, whether by God's own voice through the Holy Spirit, or by the voice of His servants, the prophets and elders of the church. Secondly, he is accountable to his wife, for they are to be united in the eyes of the Lord. They must not live secret or dual lives, and should keep nothing from each other, otherwise they could not be each others' companions and advocates (this same principle goes for our individual relationships with God). If the husband is acting according to the will of God, and the wife also, they will discuss and pray about family decisions, and the Holy Spirit of God will be their confirming witness of what is right. The wife will rarely have to rely solely on the husband's word, for ninety nine percent of the time she will be able to discern the righteousness of it. In the times she does not know if it be right, she can take confidence in his divinely appointed role as patriarch and that God will warn her if he steps amiss. *When a man and a woman enter into the eternal covenant of marriage, they form a three-dimensional relationship with God. Not only is the man and woman bound together by that covenant, but they are both bound to God forming a triangular relationship, with Him being at the pinnacle. As the husband and wife obey God's commandments, they both draw closer to Him and simultaneously to each other. You see? Their salvation becomes co-dependant. The husband cannot offend his wife without offending himself as they are to be one flesh by covenant.

Very good

 

[Robert.Evans]

LOL! I can't believe the absolute patriarchal crap you keep putting out.

Of course I hunt and kill game. Why else would I be hunting. We believe in cleaner, safer, food = meat with no hormones and chemicals, etc. I also fish, set crab pots, and shrimp pots, etc.

Your religious ideas about sex are just bull, and don't apply to me.


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The law applies to those who don't keep it, firstly.
Secondly, ever thought of eating only vegetables etc? Why do you feed the need to kill? Is it a power thing... men do it, so you have to do it, to prove you can kill just like a man?

And might I add, I can't believe the mysandristic bull that comes from your mouth also.

Do you believe in God? My guess is no, but you used to.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Punishing other people for someone else's crimes. Found throughout the Bible, and one of the reasons I know it is a false book.


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Someone else's crimes? Where? And as for being a ''f-lse book'' and ''know''ing it, that my dear, is only in your gun toting mind.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It is a myth. And There is not enough time from their children, to now, for all the diversity we have in humans.

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But that is YOUR misunderstanding of scripture. We all have some, you just have more than most

 

[Robert.Evans]

Well for one, we're not talking about a split second choice here, we're talking about an ideology. There is plenty of time to choose not to discriminate against another group of people. Also you're referring to reflex, not instinct in split second reactions, there is a clear difference between the two.

And second, instinct never takes over. Intelligence always trumps instinct. But this is kind off topic and frankly I have no desire to debate it because in my experiences the idea of human instinct is so ingrained that people have a really hard time letting it go, even when they finally agree with me about it as soon as the conversation ends they revert back to speaking of human behavior in terms of instinct so there's really no point.

For the purposes of this discussion we can forget the second part and argue the first part of this post, that the idea that one gender is superior by nature isn't a split second decision. In this situation intelligence trumps instinct. Even if there is a legitimate natural urge to discriminate or subjugate another group, that is not a valid excuse for the behavior because you always have the ability to choose not to follow that urge.

We follow our primordial past sir whether you like it or not. That is who we are and who we answer for, the ''sins of the fathers''.
As for one having superiority over another, we see that all around.