When Should Women Obey Their Husbands?

[Ingledsva]

Really? LOL! Your Bible gives the genealogies, which is how Christians figure the time from Adam's children to now. NOT ENOUGH TIME! Would you like to explain how I am misunderstanding?

You are listening to them, that is how. And it is not all of them.

You're not going to get away with that. LOL!

I have read those genealogies.

How am I misunderstanding, that there isn't enough time for the diversity of humans? and then we have that Noah story - supposedly starting everything over AGAIN, shortening the time even more. It is pure BULL.

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[Robert.Evans]

You're not going to get away with that. LOL!

I have read those genealogies.

How am I misunderstanding, that there isn't enough time for the diversity of humans? and then we have that Noah story - supposedly starting everything over AGAIN, shortening the time even more. It is pure BULL.

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You don't understand it, so what you speak is pure bull. There is a difference in Cosmic time and man's time. And the Bible, though able to see the world through its writings, is talking about a land not the whole earth. You misunderstand. Sorry. Nothing wrong with the Bible. It is not supposed to be an easy read, and it is not. It keeps people out.

 

[Ingledsva]

MY, you really feel threatened by me don't you.

Why don't you try backing off the red-herring attacks on everything I mention, and stick to the thread.

I mean REALLY? Do you need to attack my use of weapons, and hunting, and eating meat? LOL!

If I mention Kewpie dolls in a conversation, - what is your ridiculous attack going to be? How dare I mention ugly Satanic items? LOL!

What makes you think I am threatened? Lost me there, along with the doll until you explained it.

LOL! Sure you don't understand.

You are taking items mentioned in posts with other people, and somehow ridiculously feeling the need to attack those items, rather than stick to our discussion on this thread topic.

Guns, meat, hunting. What words are you going to pick out of my last few post to others, having nothing to do with our debate, - to attack? LOL!

You don't like my replies to you, so like an angry child, you are attacking every aspect of my lifestyle.


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[Ingledsva]

You don't understand it, so what you speak is pure bull. There is a difference in Cosmic time and man's time. And the Bible, though able to see the world through its writings, is talking about a land not the whole earth. You misunderstand. Sorry. Nothing wrong with the Bible. It is not supposed to be an easy read, and it is not. It keeps people out.

PURE BULL!

We are not talking "cosmic time" or a thousand years is as a day. We are talking the stated human genealogies, and the ages given.

Try again.

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[Ingledsva]

Oh, and by th e way, a lot of what you say tends to be wrong, that is why I keep answering everything you say. It is called a discussion.

If you think it is wrong PROVE IT. You haven't so far, and perhaps that is why you feel the need to attack my lifestyle?

Attacking things like meat eating - seen in conversations with OTHER people, is not a discussion between you and me. It is a ridiculous off topic attack. LOL!

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[Robert.Evans]

LOL! Sure you don't understand.

You are taking items mentioned in posts with other people, and somehow ridiculously feeling the need to attack those items, rather than stick to our discussion on this thread topic.

Guns, meat, hunting. What words are you going to pick out of my last few post to others, having nothing to do with our debate, - to attack? LOL!

You don't like my replies to you, so like an angry child, you are attacking every aspect of my lifestyle.


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If you say so madam

 

[Robert.Evans]

PURE BULL!

We are not talking "cosmic time" or a thousand years is as a day. We are talking the stated human genealogies, and the ages given.

Try again.

Again, you don't understand.

If you think it is wrong PROVE IT. You haven't so far, and perhaps that is why you feel the need to attack my lifestyle?

Attacking things like meat eating - seen in conversations with OTHER people, is not a discussion between you and me. It is a ridiculous off topic attack. LOL!

I don't need to prove anything, nor can I. God proves, the one you don't believe in. And what is it with this ''attacking my lifestyle'' all the time. You have no sense of humour? According to all the LOL's that you keep giving, I would have said you do. Or are they just to dum down the poster?

And as for ''off topic attack''? I don't know where you're pulling it from. You mentioned it in the first place and it was relevant where it was placed.

 

[oldbadger]

Hello.

We have several boats for different weather, or destinations. We have a 19 foot jet-boat for the river, a 24 foot speed boat for calm days and fun, water skiing, etc., and a 27 foot cabin cruiser for longer trips. (As well as a canoe.) The canoe works well to bring game out, if you can catch them near the river's side streams. I know that sounds like a lot of boats, but it is kind of standard here on an Alaskan Island.

,,,,, you live on an Alaskan Island....... that has to be one of the most unusual (Western) lifestyles on Earth.

I used to haul the pots by hand - what a pain!

Yep! I used to hand-haul Whelk pots and Lobster pots. Any undersize fish that came up in the beam trawl went on the Whelk pot spikes or in the lobster pots, on the way home.
I didn't have an articulated hydraulic hauler because my pots were a small 'add-on' sideline, just to convert unlandable-undersize fish to legal shellfish, so I didn't have that many pots. Even so, hauling pots by hand, singlehanded, was a very difficult, and the risks of snagging and getting pulled overboard did exist. I kept a small hack-saw and a hand-axe on either side of the stern.

My Aunt actually died pulling crab pots. We don't know exactly what happened, she ran her own commercial fishing boat since she was a teenager, but something happened and the boat rolled over and she died.

Only one way to look at that...... your Aunt died doing what she loved to do...... It's the only positive to come out of such a tragedy.

We now have a motorized system with a swing arm. A fisherman friend, showed us how to set up for, and set and pick, a full string of pots, rather than one at a time.

Very good. Easier, safer, faster, and you have instant and exact control.

How do I keep my hands warm? Ummm! It's January and it is still 48 degrees out!

Never! You're supposed to be saying 'Well, it's only -20C here just now, but when it gets cold......

When working on the water though, I use those insolated rubber non slip gloves. You know, the kind with the rough knobby non slip palms.

I never found any gloves or mits that could cope. I tried everything, such as pilots' silk undergloves with insulated mits, blah blah..... but white finger is sp painful and dangerous. The only thing that half-passed was to wear mittens and have a bucket of hot water on the decxk to plunge the mits into every minute or so.
The problem was just too bad for me....... I only worked part-time 3 days a week, so I came ashore and spent those 3 days each week as a thief-catcher instead..... I ended up training hundreds of retail detectives, a 3 day course every week..... much warmer than pulling pots! .

What kinds of fishing did you do?

Beam trawling for Skate (Spring) Soles (Summer) and long-lining for Cod (Winter), plus pots, plus towing jobs, delivery jobs and salvage as-and-when. A water tramp, really. I gave up in 1983.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't think having one person being aggressive and fighting is helped by making another do the same. My answer is stay away from those people.

Try telling that to someone who grew and/or lives in a violence-ridden neighborhood. Try telling that to someone who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I think it makes more sense to make people less violent, not to add more violent people in to the mix, which will make the first group even more violent to counteract the second

Any wise fighter knows the best way to win a fight is to win without fighting.

 

[Ingledsva]

Again, you don't understand.

I don't need to prove anything, nor can I. God proves, the one you don't believe in. And what is it with this ''attacking my lifestyle'' all the time. You have no sense of humour? According to all the LOL's that you keep giving, I would have said you do. Or are they just to dum down the poster?

And as for ''off topic attack''? I don't know where you're pulling it from. You mentioned it in the first place and it was relevant where it was placed.

You just keep saying I don't understand, - and you give no actual answer, - for me to rebut.

You calling me wrong - means you do need to prove it.

Like I said, if you believe I don't understand, then give your proof of such misunderstanding.


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[Robert.Evans]

You just keep saying I don't understand, - and you give no actual answer, - for me to rebut.

You calling me wrong - means you do need to prove it.

Like I said, if you believe I don't understand, then give your proof of such misunderstanding.


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If you read the NT you will see it says it is spiritually discerned. So it is not for me to give you the proof. Sorry. Your argument is with God not me.

 

[Underhill]

Those two examples are not even in the same leahue. I am surprised you would even use them. And it does not answer the things we see around us. If God is not in control, then anything could happen.

They are exactly the same thing. It's just that one is accepted dogma and the other is a fairy tale. But anything attributable to god could be attributed to Peter Pan or any other figurehead you care to believe in.

As for your last sentence, just look at the variety of life out there and tell me that anything isn't happening? I think the wonders of nature are arguments for random selection much more than for any single entity. A thousand artist working for a thousand years could not come up with all that we are finding in this world. And that is without any knowledge of what else is out there.

The idea of one being creating it all in any time frame, much less a week, is beyond comprehension. And when I look at the Bible, or the Qur'an, or any other religious work, and try to imagine the 'being' who supposedly inspired these archaic, backwards concepts as creators of a world as diverse and amazing as this one.... I just can't do it. The same being who said being born gay is grounds for stoning while creating a diversity of life that makes the difference between gay and straight or male and female trivial... no. Not possible.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Today the Church of England ordained its first woman bishop.
as a member of the episcopate she is at the top of the tree.
her husband is an ordinary priest and must necessarily answer to her.
anyone see this as a problem
for him?
for her?
for the church?
for God?
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[beenie]

You know what I find interesting? Someone who spends hours and dozens of posts staking his claim on how women are supposed to "obey" men, all the while basing it on ancient scripture. It reeks of insecurity to me.

 

[Ingledsva]

If you read the NT you will see it says it is spiritually discerned. So it is not for me to give you the proof. Sorry. Your argument is with God not me.

BULL! We are talking about the genealogies - not something spiritually discerned.

I am getting tired of the so-called answers you give - that are not answers.

If you can't actually rebut what I have said - then why are you even posting to me?

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[Robert.Evans]

They are exactly the same thing. It's just that one is accepted dogma and the other is a fairy tale. But anything attributable to god could be attributed to Peter Pan or any other figurehead you care to believe in.

As for your last sentence, just look at the variety of life out there and tell me that anything isn't happening? I think the wonders of nature are arguments for random selection much more than for any single entity. A thousand artist working for a thousand years could not come up with all that we are finding in this world. And that is without any knowledge of what else is out there.

The idea of one being creating it all in any time frame, much less a week, is beyond comprehension. And when I look at the Bible, or the Qur'an, or any other religious work, and try to imagine the 'being' who supposedly inspired these archaic, backwards concepts as creators of a world as diverse and amazing as this one.... I just can't do it. The same being who said being born gay is grounds for stoning while creating a diversity of life that makes the difference between gay and straight or male and female trivial... no. Not possible.

Well I don't want to derail the thread, so I won't answer, accept to say you have a lot of misconceptions there. The Bible, and scripture in general, is not an easy read. One should not think that by reading the surface text, one understands it fully.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Today the Church of England ordained its first woman bishop.
as a member of the episcopate she is at the top of the tree.
her husband is an ordinary priest and must necessarily answer to her.
anyone see this as a problem
for him?
for her?
for the church?
for God?
.

It is the Anglican Church, is it not. As Paul said, he became whatever he had to become in order to save but some.

As for it being a problem, that depends on what priesthood you are following. The Church had equality 2 thousand years ago and did not use it; then they were behind the secular world; and now they follow the secular world.

I think it would take great humility for women believers to not take up such a role if it was on offer in this day and age. Is that right or wrong? We all answer to God, though it is interesting that the 'same' God tells one man that men should rule and another man (or woman) that a woman should rule. What do you think?

 

[Robert.Evans]

You know what I find interesting? Someone who spends hours and dozens of posts staking his claim on how women are supposed to "obey" men, all the while basing it on ancient scripture. It reeks of insecurity to me.

I suppose that might be the case; of course, that does not make them wrong (not that I'm saying they are right), and it might be that some think that your comments reek of the same insecurity, not that I'm saying it does.

It is more to do with what priesthood is being followed, and that is important to those who follow the lord, and whether it is the masculine or feminine aspect of it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

BULL! We are talking about the genealogies - not something spiritually discerned.

I am getting tired of the so-called answers you give - that are not answers.

If you can't actually rebut what I have said - then why are you even posting to me?

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Rebut what you say? What are you saying?
If you are trying to say that the bible says that the universe has only been around for a few thousand years, then it doesn't. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Robert.Evans]

How am I misunderstanding, that there isn't enough time for the diversity of humans? and then we have that Noah story - supposedly starting everything over AGAIN, shortening the time even more. It is pure BULL.

You do know that is speaking of a group of people on a certain land, don't you? Please don't tell me that you think it was global.