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When stupid meets idiotic

Underhill

Underhill

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Goes to show what a mess we have created over there. We slay one tyrannical guy and make room for a bunch of religious nutbags who try to overthrow another tyrannical guy. Technical terms I know but try to keep up.

So now we have the choice between terrorist sleeze and a dictator who gasses his own people. Saddam isn't looking so bad these days.

But it is an easy choice. ISIS has shown they won't hesitate to attack us or our allies. Assad may gas his own people, but he isn't stupid enough to attack us.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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Mycroft said:
Allegedly used chemical weapons against their own citizens. There was never any definitive evidence or proof.
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No, the large number of people who died exhibiting symptoms of chemical poisoning could have all been allergic to peanuts or something.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
"ISISs can be defeated within....."
Where have I heard optimistic claims of an impending glorious victory before?
 
Adramelek

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
When stupid meets idiotic is when national "leaders" refuse to recognize that there are Islamic extremist men and women and radicalized children who desire to come into the United States disguised as refuges and perpetrate acts of mass killings and destruction in the name of their misguided religious ideology. It is going to happen more and more.
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Wirey said:
So, the plan now is to re-establish the Syrian government that was absolutely evil last year? Didn't these guys use chemical weapons against their own citizens?
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Good point, We seem to be switching sides in mid-war.
Isn't this Putin's position; that Assad is the only stabilizing force available at present?


columbus said:
So did Saddam Hussein. That didn't get in the way of the USA arming him with heavy weapons and intel to use for his invasion of Iran.
Tom
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As I recall, it was the US supplied him with the nerve gas components he used on the Kurds, as well. He was a CIA 'asset' at one time.
BTW, wasn't the US supporting Iran at the same time, through Israel?

Adramelek said:
When stupid meets idiotic is when national "leaders" refuse to recognize that there are Islamic extremist men and women and radicalized children who desire to come into the United States disguised as refuges and perpetrate acts of mass killings and destruction in the name of their misguided religious ideology. It is going to happen more and more.
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Why would they waste their time trying to pose as refugees? That could take years. Wouldn't it be a lot easier just to buy an airline ticket and leave for New York that afternoon, as a tourist?
The Paris terrorists, as French and Belgian citizens, could have done just that.

Actually, wouldn't the cheapest way to get terrorists into the US be to create them in situ, through online propaganda sites?
 
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columbus

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Valjean said:
As I recall, it was the US supplied him with the nerve gas components he used on the Kurds, as well. He was a CIA 'asset' at one time.
BTW, wasn't the US supporting Iran at the same time, through Israel?
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I believe the gas came from elsewhere, like France. But we certainly knew he had used it on the Kurds and supported him anyway.
I used to have a pic of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. It was published in an Iraqi newspaper a few weeks after the gassing of that village became known. The USA government had just arranged a delivery of tanks to Hussein to use on Iran.
Everybody was smiling.
I don't know about the Israeli Iran connection. But I do know that the Iran Contra debacle was in the time period.
Tom
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Well I look at it this way. Is it not better to have a dictator that one knows vice one that is unknown. If Assad goes who is going to replace him. Seems Hillary had the same idea about Muammar Gaddafi, how did that turn out, seems we have a problem in Iraq after ousting Saddam Hussein also. It seems that western powers want to bring the same type government, and social and economic conditions to areas that aren't ready for the removal of a heavy handed dictator.. Now I'm not saying that is a "good" thing, I'm just saying if you break something are you ready to accept the responsibility of what happens afterwords. I can only sight one incident that a country had their leaders removed by force and the conquering power took total control of the country for over 6 years.. That was Japan; of course that was a totally different situation than we are seeing now. (which I don't want or care to get into at this time just making a point).
Now back to Assad. Russia will not back down on their desire to maintain decisive influence in that country and a desire to spread their influence throughout the region, and I don't think I want to see another proxy war like Vietnam with the roles reversed. So, it appears that if the West wants to see ISIS removed totally from the area they are going to give up on their demands that Assad has to go. Now an additional little "sticky point" Turkey's "policies" could muddy the water. It seems that there is a little dust up between Turkey and Iraq about Turkish troops in Iraq as "trainers".
Nice little mess the world has going isn't it.
 
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